Star Trek – Kirkless Generations
 a TRUE FANEDIT by CBBThis is Star Trek Generations without Captain Kirk, but as a true NEXT GENERATIONS movie. Impossible? Nope.
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INTENTION:
We do not hate Captain Kirk, but he spoiled this movie nevertheless. Although the beginnging is kind of nicely done, it is still not a worthy death for James T., so it had to be deleted. Our plan was to make this the first Next Generation’s movie, filling all the plot holes between the TV show and the movie “First COntact”. It was dificult was to make up a story without Kirk that would work, and since we did not want Picard to fight Soren two times with bare hands, the 50 gigawatts force field had to knock him out. Our edition is an improvement over the original, if you like Next Generation and did not like Captain Kirk in this movie. 42 minutes of cut footage is a lot, but for the pace of the movie it was good. See for yourself.
CUTLIST:
- added Picard’s family book intro from Generations specail edition
- removed the entire beginning including the Enterprise B scenes
- removed all Captain Kirk scenes in the Nexus and in the real world
- removed Picard scenes with Kirk as well as Picard scenes after he could not defeat Soren the first time
- removed Riker saying: “that was the flight James T. Kirk died on”
- mirrored Kirk hitting Soren, because we needed a right hand to knock Soren down the hill.
- added special warp-out-of-Nexus effect (video and sound)
- removed end credits and created our own (the crew from Star Tek O.S. is not participating in our movie and there are many people who are worthy of saying thank you to)
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Winner of the May 2007 “Fanedit of the Month” contest on fanedit.orgscoring in at 26% of all votes and winning against such cool fanedits as Hellblazer, Beyond the Ice and The Matrix Squared. |
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wow.
now that is a nice nice fanedit.
Storywise it is not just about removing all the kirk scenes , the story still fits !!
Wow !
This fanedit tells a different story then the original cut , (ok slightly different).
The new story is completely plausible. The outcome is a shorter movie with “less momentum , more flow”.
Those among trekkies that felt generations was a kinda patchwork will be pleased: It’s not anymore , it’s consistant from start to the end.
Those whom are more TOS then TNG will be (obviously) disapointed.
Those looking for a good TNG movie will get one of the not so good ones.
Personnaly I enjoyed this cut.
technical review:
FIVE STAR RELEASE
-many languages (dub and subs)
-nice menu , cool cover.
-deleted scenes
(of course impecable image&sound)
a release by which the standard for fanedit should be considered.
Review by azzrael — June 3, 2007 @ 1:23 am
Star Trek: Generations has the unmistakeable soul of TNG, but Hollywood gave it an unneeded addition, a command to kill off the legendary, iconic Captain James. T. Kirk. With only a few actors returning for a sloppy prelude (Checkov and Scotty?!) to send Kirk into his “final adventure” centuries into the future, Generations almost stopped dead in it’s tracks right there, had it not been for much of the remaining movie.
Generations, up until Picard realizes he needs help, is an emotional journey that expands the TNG universe, bringing back old favourates, acknowledging plot points from previous seasons, and examining the themes of mortality as an aging Picard comes face to face with his lineage facing potential exstinction. The performances of the cast, from Patrick Stewart’s inspird portrayal, to the near film-stealing role of Soran portrayed by Malcom Mcdowell, is topped only by one of Star Trek’s greatest set-peices, the nexus arriving over Veridian III and the climatic battle between the Enterprise-D and the Duress Sisters.
So why was it neccersary to include Kirk in a story he had little to nothing to do with? Why give Picard someone that was not a part of a journey that was clearly his and his alone? A few incessant lines about Kirk’s own desires were inconsequential, as we had not seen anything of that sort built up in previous movies. In fact, Kirk’s family life and views on mortality were already acknowledged in two very early movies, and dealt with rather well.
In many ways, like the Nexus, Kirk’s death had no meaning here. Fortunatly the CBB group decided to go back to the point before Braga destroyed the Shatner…and they had help.
At 90 glorious minites, Kirkless Generations does little to change the story, but by removing the Kirk scenes, it enhances what was taken away from the publicity and hype centering around the film’s “stunt death” purpose, the film that I and countless other true Trek fans paid attention to: The journeys of Picard, Data, and Soran.
The presentation is tremendous, professionalism at it’s finest. Extras include a trailer, and “deleted scenes”, which are all of Kirk’s scenes. The moving menus are very well put together, and CBB gets to also plug two of their other fan-edits with a special showcase trailer and feature.
The DVD also comes in countless alternate languages. A rare instance that should be practicised more for maximum appreication.
The only con I will ever have about the edit are that two scenes are slightly “tweeked” to keep Kirk out of the film, either by reference or implication. Picard’s return to the past after leaving the Nexus is said to have been far better than the previous version when this was first released to the public, and Riker turning his head to Worf in slow-mention at the reference of the word “Enterprise B”.
In a time where fanedits are becoming the easiest of all alternate options to guarantee the movie you want to see, Kirkless Generations proudly takes it’s place as the “pure” TNG movie it always was, and a film that is finally able to be seen as the underrated gem it always was.
Review by Zarius — July 19, 2007 @ 6:01 am
Hmmm. I like the premise of this. Kirk’s death always pissed me off. Removing him is interesting. So, I’ve watched this and here are my thoughts.
– I like the new start, skipping all Kirk stuff and going straight to the sea-bound ship was good. I’d forgotten how the other one started!
– Far the large part this flows quite well until we’re with Picard and the ‘1st fight’. Obviously you didn’t want them to fight twice because this is much cut down.
– Soren launching the missile just seems to come out of the blue. It’s a quick cut back and the missile is launched!
– Pace seems to not flow quite so well from here on. I like Picard going into the Nexus, but it feels like he’s not there long enough and back on the planet in no time to take Soren out. Note – did like your transition of Picard from Nexus back to planet – very well done!
I feel overall that this is worth seeing – but the substantial cuts of removing Kirk have made it a bit too short, scenes are never really established in some parts and the pace falters slightly – but you have achieved your objective.
BTW – love the animated menu!
Review by white43 — March 16, 2008 @ 9:42 pm
“Pace seems to not flow quite so well from here on. I like Picard going into the Nexus, but it feels like he’s not there long enough and back on the planet in no time to take Soren out. Note – did like your transition of Picard from Nexus back to planet – very well done!”
“I feel overall that this is worth seeing – but the substantial cuts of removing Kirk have made it a bit too short, scenes are never really established in some parts and the pace falters slightly – but you have achieved your objective.”
I second these comments, however this edit is an incredible achievement. Primarily on the technical side, but if anyone watched this who knew nothing of the original Generations, they wouldn’t be able to tell it wasn’t ever released like this. Amazing.
Review by schnide — August 31, 2008 @ 10:26 pm
A little less polished than some of the later CBB edits, but the idea is sound, and almost every cut works well. (Some of the musical transitions are jarring, but there are no hard cuts per se.) Of course, the actual plot is still a little forced, but taking away the indignity of Kirk’s “final” appearance is just what the doctor ordered. If only something could be done about how illogical the Nexus is as a plot device, but there’s only so much you can do.
Worth any Trek fan’s time to download.
Review by Uncanny Antman — September 8, 2008 @ 4:53 am
Not just a good idea, this is a tremendous effort. I loved this. Thankyou very much for your hard work!
Review by sevenofnine — December 24, 2008 @ 7:15 am
I have only just discovered the fanedit site AND the Kirkless cut. What a clever idea – it comes off very well. More please!!!
Review by daveac41 — May 5, 2009 @ 4:14 pm
This edit certainly improved on what was a badly written movie, but the sad truth is that it’s still kinda crappy. Boon has done the right choices throughout, for which I’m happy. But it’s still just so stupid!
There was one audio transition that was highly noticable around the end fight, something I did not expect due to my earlier viewings of cbb productions.. I assume that the fight was the hardest part to edit, and that it was the best way out. The hand knocking down Soren doen’t really look like it fits, but I’ll buy it.
I’m not entirely pleased, yet impressed by other parts. I’m rating this 8 out of 10, as I don’t think it stands up to other edits that have reached a 9 from me..
If you missed that part: this is better than the original.
Review by spelledaren — June 15, 2009 @ 11:03 pm
Great edit. Definitely changes how I view this film. Although I can’t say this will replace my store-bought DVD, it is worth the DL
Review by flyboy707 — December 14, 2009 @ 9:12 pm
This idea worked out very nicely! It’s great to have this alternate, 100% TNG version. The audio and video quality are excellent (there a few hard cuts that were a bit unavoidable, I guess, but no problems overall) and it still has a decent length to it. The extra features were ok, though mainly for people who weren’t familiar with the original version or just couldn’t remember it. The nice, easy to navigate menus round out an overall excellent package. Definitely recommended for any TNG fan! I’ll give it a 9/10.
Review by Ripplin — May 4, 2010 @ 7:36 am
Star Trek – Kirkless Generations by CBB
Reviewed by L8wrtr
A fantastic edit from a highly flawed source.
Owning the theatrical version of Generations is more an act of loyalty than any indication of enjoyment, so I had high hopes for this edit. I was not disappoitned.
Video editing
Overall this fan-edit is fairly seemless. There are one or two transitions that felt abrupt, and the slow-motion turn was a bit jarring, but you have to work with what you get in fan-editing so I didn’t have a complaint about this. The narrative that this edit creates is great, particularly when you consider the mess that is the original. The focus on Picard’s struggle is far more believable and his struggle enjoys the proper focus in the film.
My only complaint regarding this edit is the sequence of events once Picard returns to the planet from the Nexus. The original screenplay already suffers from the McFly Time-Travel Blunder, where our hero, able to select any point in time/space chooses to barely give himself enough time. This flaw is exaggerated by this new sequence because Picard chooses to return outside the shield. If not for his serendipitously finding the hole in the shield, Picard would have been unable to stop Soran the second time either.
This sequence would have flowed a lot better (IMO) if Picard’s discussion/attempted persuasion with Soran happened all before the rocket fires, and then when Picard returns from the Nexus, it instantly is right where the action starts on the cat-walk. From that point, the fight sequence is perfect and believable. It is a skillful integration of the original footage into a 2-man fight without Kirk. (Of course, a truly bold solution to the McFly conundrum would be to simply cut out the Nexus all-together, Picard slips into the shield, saves the day, no time travel needed, and the Nexus remains a mystery to us. Unfortunately that would cut out how Picard comes to terms with his grief, which is what makes the scene worth keeping). This however is my only criticism. 9 out of 10
Video Quality
I found no flaws in the video quality, no reason to give it anything other than 10 out of 10
Audio Quality
Overall, quite good, but a few harsh transitions stood out and ruined the seemless flow. I have not watched this movie in years and do not have it memorized, so that I recognized the transitions keeps it from being perfect. 9 out of 10
Overall Entertainment
This edit rescues a very disappointing movie that I watch rarely, and has turned it into a movie that I will actively watch again and will share with friends. 9 out of 10.
Review by L8wrtr — May 4, 2010 @ 10:30 pm
A really great edit! This works so incredibly well that it got me wondering: was the screenplay originally written without Kirk’s character, only to be inserted in a later draft? The quality of the editing is very smooth too.
With the Kirk character gone, the plot strand about Piccard and his longing for a family instead of the all-consuming Starfleet career was something I found incredibly moving this time around. The film in its original form got distracted from that element due to Kirk’s unnecessary presence in the story. Thanks CBB for turning a flawed movie into what is for me now one of the great ones in the Star Trek franchise.
Review by mullholland665 — July 9, 2010 @ 9:25 am
I didn’t know about this edit until about a week ago, and just watched it today. I always thought Generations was my favorite Star Trek of the Next Gen batch, and I think I remembered it a lot better than it really was. I was curious about this fanedit, because I thought the ending would be a little difficult to work around, and wanted to see how it was handled.
My concerns were confirmed when it got to the climax. While it’s not done too bad, it was pretty noticeable to me. Also, the fade effect thing to get out of the Nexus, while it technically works, just came across a little iffy to me.
Really, removing Kirk didn’t do anything for me since I never really minded him much to begin with, and I felt something was missing with all the references to the older Enterprise. There were however a lot of parts (particularly with Data) that I found myself wishing had been removed.
Overall it’s okay, and the movie being a lot cheesier than I remember doesn’t help. Perhaps it’s the stark contrast to the most recent Star Trek that makes this a pretty bad movie in comparison.
Review by Kevinicus — September 6, 2010 @ 6:03 am
There isn’t much I can say that hasn’t been said. Overall, I enjoyed the edit. While I never disliked the opening with the original crew, I didn’t miss it. However, cutting out Kirk while in the Nexus was very good. I only had a few minor issues: there were a couple shots that were slowed down to the point of stuttering. They looked bad. I’m not sure why the editor chose to do this. Second, I didn’t care for the new credits. They looked a little cheap, like something done on an old tape linear editing system. Finally, and L8wrtr hit the nail on the head with this one, Picard could return anywhere in time and he chose to appear outside the shield. I really like what L8 recommended as a solution.
While none of these things make the film unwatchable (far from it… this cut is very enjoyable) it would be nice to see a revised version with a few tweaks.
Review by thunderclap — January 16, 2011 @ 7:42 pm
Good edit (although slo-mo Riker was distracting). It works well.
The menu takes a long time before the options come up, though.
Review by Mark Moore — May 26, 2011 @ 5:36 am