Terminator 3 – T-HOPE Edition
by T-HopeThis is a darker movie, following the style of the first Terminator movie. Now, Terminator’s mission has become a race against the clock.
No more cheesy one-liners or ridiculous scenes. The Terminator focuses completely on the mission. The T-X is faster, more powerful and more intelligent. No more romance between John and Kate. A complete new opening, plus a reference to T2’s Cyberdyne Systems.
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original film name: Terminator 3: Rise Of The Machines
new film name : Terminator 3 – T-HOPE Edition
edit crew name : T-HOPE
Date Original Film Was Released : July 2nd 2003
Date Edit Was Released : November 18th 2006
Original Runtime : 1:44:40
New Runtime : 1:40:24
Amount of time Cut/Added : 38 changes/cuts (see complete list)
Cuts removed/added/extended :
- Alternate opening. John Connor’s original narration has been slightly altered, plus the construction of a Terminator is shown. Could this be John Connor’s nightmare, or something even much worse? The song “T3″ has been restored in this opening (this song is on the soundtrack, but was nowhere to be found in the official movie).
- Removal of T-X’s line “I like this car.” A reference to T2’s “Say, that’s a nice bike,” but it gets annoying because she says it again with police officer a scene later. Here, T-X just kills, and doesn’t say unnecessary lines to insignificant persons. She’s a cold blooded killer now.
- Removal of the growing T-X’s breasts. In the T3 novelization it makes a bit sense, since she lures the cop with her breasts into an alley to kill him out of sight (but still, why lure the cop out of sight to kill him while a scene later you just brutally shoot a kid working in a drive-in in public?). However, since the alley-sequence does not happen in the movie, this is just a very lame example of T-X morphing-abilities. She’s a cold blooded killer, not some cute sexrobot.
- Removal of T-X’s line “I like your gun.” As explained above. Now it is only hinted that the T-X will take the gun one way or another.
- Removal of T-850’s line “Now” when he moves forward to speak against the stripper’s hand. Pathetic scene in which is shown that the Terminator does not know human gestures. It’s an infiltration unit, so it should not bow over to literally talk to the hand.
- Removal of the pathetic “Elton John sunglasses” scene. Terminator just walks out of the bar, stands still a second (to take a look at the offscreen parked cards) and then we cut to Terminator slamming the window.
- Removal of T-850 synchronizing his internal clock with the watch. Although it’s an awesome scene and idea, this sequence causes more confusion than it clears things up. The order of dates that appear is not chronological, so we are still left to guess which date is really is. Also, the Terminator finds the watch hidden behind the sunvisor. Since he immediately checks the sunvisor, this shows that the Terminator is either more sophisticated/updated, or understands more of human habbits. Now this is removed.
- T-X just goes into the driveby and shoots Jose without even asking his name or checking him via her TermoVision. She just brutally shoots without a known reason for the audience yet, just like in the first Terminator movie. Why ask for names if you can already identify your target via an iris (or DNA) scan?
- Same goes for Bill Anderson. T-X arrives at his house and just slams him to the ground and shoots him. This is also more like the style of the first Terminator movie. Although we have seen the T-X connecting to some database, she is just killing unknown persons while we are left to guess why at the moment.
- Removal of T-X’s sampling the cat lady’s blood and her reaction “No.” First of all, if it’s the target the T-X is looking for, she wouldn’t say “no” to herself but just continue looking for her target. Second, the T-X sampling someone’s blood is shown in a scene later in which she samples John Connor’s blood. Redunancy thus…
- Removal of T-X’s orgasmic reaction after sampling John’s blood. Wasn’t my comment about the T-X being some kind of cold blooded killing machine instead of robotic sextoy not enough?
- Kate doesn’t drop the keys (such a Hollywood cliché), the T-X is right at her when she jumps in the Tundra. This makes the T-X a more dangerous Terminator than she was portrayed in the movie. Like the Terminator says later on in the movie: “T-X is faster, more intelligent and more powerful.”
- Added shot of the T-850 grabbing the shotgun out of the truck at the vet.
- Removal of the line “I lied.” T-850 needs the time to save John, so why bother having a conversation with Kate when you know that you will need all the time in the world to save the person you are programmed to protect.
- Removal of T-X double checking when she notices the T-850 is driving his firetruck next to her crane. She only looks one time at him and immediately notices him, which makes her more menacing.
- Removal of T-850’s line “Excuse me” to the T-X, before striking his axe into her neck during the crane chase. Silly line, a Terminator would never say something like this in the heat of a battle. T-X just notices the Terminator now.
- Removed the ridiculous conversation:
John Connor: “So, she’s an anti-Terminator Terminator? You’ve got to be shitting me.”
T-850: “No, I am not shitting you.”
And you wonder why Terminator wasn’t taken seriously…? - Removed T-850’s second “Relax”. The T-850 looks so out of place with that movement. Kate’s screaming can be heard when the Tundra drives away from the explosion.
- Removal of “Talk to the hand.” The Terminator just stares blankly at the guy (and ignores him).
- Alternate conversation between John and Kate in the back of the van, together with a future flashforward. No silly lines like “Jerky?” or “What are you, some kind of gangmember?” John uses the Mike Kripke’s conversation now as icebreaker to Kate. Also, the future war scenes have a meaning now, and a reason to atsppear. Not unlike the official cut, in which they are just random (meaningless) future war scenes (with great special effects) as opening. The added song that accompanies the future nightmares is: Dead Can Dance - The Host Of Seraphim.
- Removed the T-X killing Scott. Now we don’t know that the T-X has mimicked Scott’s appearance. This is more like T2 style, and creating a surprise effect later on when Scott suddenly kills the police officers.
- Removal of the T-850’s line “Don’t do that” after being shot in the mouth by Kate. It hints that the T-850 has a real personality (which also appears later in the movie, when he corrects John who calls him a robot instead of a cybernetic organism). And would a Terminator tell the one he should obey not to do something? Another fact is that Kate now fully realizes that this man is not human, and this shock has more impact to her. The removal of John telling her that it is a machine, during the conversation in the back of the van, adds now more perspective, because Kate didn’t know that it was a cyborg when she accidentally fired the gun in Terminator’s mouth.
- Added two short alternate scenes of the T-850 firing his gun while holding the coffin.
- Removed storyline of John and Kate’s children, or that Kate will even turn out to be John’s spouse. This romantic stuff has been trimmed down heavily. The only hints for a possible future relationship are the Mike Kripke’s conversations and the couple holding hands at the end of the movie.
- Removed Kate’s line “Do something” while the T-X attacks the hearse. Like if the Terminator doesn’t understand that his mission objectives are in danger and that he needs to act.
- Removed human pair bounding scene. Instead the next sequence is shown:
- Added CRS promotional video. A nice reference to T2’s Cyberdyne Systems. Sgt. Candy does not make his appearance. I didn’t like the fact that CRS was alreadymaking the Endoskeletons in the present, this was supposed to happen in the future by SKYNET. And ofcourse the fact that Robert Brewster sees this video and does not refer to the T-850 as Sgt. Candy later on. Besides, this video trims down the darker movie I wanted to edit, and showing the full Candy video would only make it more comical.
- Removed the T-850 correcting John after being called a robot instead of a cybernetic organism. Again, it looked like the Terminator had a personality and needed to stand up for his ego.
- Removal of Kate’s first kiss conversation. They now have some kind of short giggle.
- Removal of short conversation about Kate’s role in the future (being second-in-command and being John’s spouse).
- “She’ll be back” video-sequence from the first trailer, so it has more impact.
- Removal of Kate’s pathetic line “Just die you bitch,” during the particle accelerator escape. That line came suddenly out of nowhere, like Kate suddenly needed her own one-liner.
- In the CRS fight, the T-850 slams the T-X with some kind of gas canister, and she spins her head. I have removed that bit. It focusses a bit more on the action and not the T-X’s “I’m far more superior than you”-look.
- Removal of John’s line “You can’t kill a human being, you said so yourself” during the desire scene. In the novelization, at the cemetery the T-850 tells John he can’t kill humans. However, this is unknown to the movie watching audience, and removing this line makes the desire scene have more impact. The T-850 is more dangerous when it is unknown whether he can kill a human (John) or not, and this questions if John will survive the T-850 during the desire scene.
- Added a shot of John and Kate dodging some flying piece of debris at Crystal Peak after the T-850 crashes in.
- Added a short clip of Kate screaming while pulling John away under the blast door while the T-X holds John’s ankle (it misses the original audio scream, since it was impossible to use the original audio).
- Alternate music during credits. Only Marco Beltrami music, and most of it was missing from the official cut. Songs have been mixed into 1 mix/suite:
- Terminator Theme
- JC Theme
- A Day In The Life (edit)
- T3 Reprise (for the next change:) - Future war clip after credits, so the audience will know that the hardest battle is not over, but has yet to come.
Extras : FanCut Marker,
4 Alternate Scenes,
Info,
Trailer (plays before menu).
Technical info
1 SL DVD.
PAL 720 x 576 video, Dobly Digital (AC3) audio. Region free.
Cover artwork is included.
Conceptual improvements/advancements of edit over original:
This fan edition runs 4 minutes shorter than the original movie. What is left is a darker movie, following the style of the first Terminator movie. Now, Terminator’s mission has become a race against the clock.
No more cheesy one-liners or ridiculous scenes. The Terminator focusses completely on the mission. The T-X is faster, more powerful and more intelligent. No more romance between John and Kate. A complete new opening, plus a reference to T2’s Cyberdyne Systems.
Time needed for the edition: 2 months
persons involved: 1 (+ a lot of advice from Boon23)
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ok sooooo little review of this fanedit.
first the technical stuff:
it’s impecable. i saw no flaws , heard no flaws.
very very good job on that part , you toke some risks they paid of , major kuddos for that.
second the artistic stuff:
hummm
the idea is good. the objective you set out to do is a most wanted from the T1 T2 fans.
I think you have obtain your objective with the various edits you did.
unfotunately , T1 and (but less) T2 are works of art.
With the raw materials provided with T3 plus extras , it is just does not seem possible to correct all the decisions that were made by the production team of T3.
you have succefully removed the most obvious ones , but the movie in itself still lacks the “whatever” that made T1 especialy scary , and T2 the good movie it is.
now , understand:
I admire your work, it is flaw less , it is bald , and it is very well executed.
unfortunately , T3 is such a bad movie that nothing , not even the fantastic job you did can save this movie.
there is T1 and T2 . two masterpieces .
and the there’s T3 , a bad movie from a production standpoint.
I think your excellent job on this raw material shows just one thing :
Decisions were made at the pre production level of that movie that cannot be unmade in the fanediting process.
I was full of hope while downloading this fanedit. I thought i were gonna get that scary felling I had bach in 1984 , when i came back from the movie theater , or that thrill I had in 1991 , but I didn’t.
This fanedit is better than the original theatrical release. but it’s still not a good movie.
That’s mainly due to the fact that T3 is a from point production standpoint the starting point for the TVserie and the sequels coming. it is not a continuity from T1 and T2.
note to you faneditor:
you did achieve your goal. it’s just that T3 is not at all a good movie , to say the least.
I encourage you to keep doing fanediting , you have shown with T3 that you have the knowledge and the now-how for this art form that is fan editing. I am looking forward to some other stuff from you !
Review by azzrael — May 20, 2007 @ 7:02 pm
I really liked this version, it gives the film a different feeling than from the dvd cut, and is more tight in places due to that. I enjoyed T3 (one of the few, i know) And this made it into a generalyl better movie.
Review by paindrain — March 15, 2008 @ 10:58 pm
This is my favourite edit of T3. I was particularly taken by the intro, Johns conversation with Kate in the back of the van, and the added scene talking about Cyberdyne. Great DVD setup, and I really, really like the running subtitle track explaining the edits! Great idea to move some of the footage from the original opening, to after the credits, setting up the real battles for a Terminator 4! This and Uncanny Antmans’s edits have a lot of similarities, but I think Uncanny Antman was a little harsh on some of the one liners. I think T-Hope left in just enough references to T2. We can all do with a little cheese every now and then! T-Hopes editing is very good, but there were a couple of rare jumps, compared to Uncanny Antmans edit which is technically flawless. I much prefer T-Hopes narrative and editing decisions! Thanks T-Hope for the great job!! DVD also has some nice alternate scenes as a special feature.
Review by heavyg — August 27, 2008 @ 2:45 pm
I like this version better than “Coming Storm”.
Review by stubbs20 — June 21, 2009 @ 9:34 am
Equally good to “Coming Storm”, yet a different take. I like it a lot. Thank you, T-Hope from one Terminator fan to the other.
Review by r8s8fr8 — November 27, 2009 @ 8:02 pm
Just want to comment on azzrael review.
Not bashing… but you repeat yourself. Make your point and move on.
Everyone knows T3 was a bad movie and there isn’t much you can do besides starting over from scratch (new script, new actors, new production team even).
the Hope Edition was the first Fan edit I came across, and I agree that this person did a fantastic job with the materials available.
Thanks!
Review by tigyi — February 6, 2010 @ 1:36 am