Comments on: The Lord of the Rings: Book III – The Treason of Isengard

By: Brumous

Brumous — Sat, 11 Jun 2011 14:43:55 +0000

Book III is a mixed bag. There are some changed scenes that are big improvements over the original, but other alterations are less successful. Overall, I cannot say this Book III edit is an improvement over the original.

The reassembling of Merry and Pippin’s abduction and escape, and the tracking by Aragorn & co., is marvelous. Instead of rapid intercuts, we get a more continuous story flow. It makes more sense and the emotional beats are strengthened.

However, cutting Merry and Pippin’s encounter with the White Wizard in Fangorn was a mistake IMO. It has so many repercussions on characters and motives, and cutting it makes several following scenes more confusing and less satisfying. The consolidation of the Ent scenes does not work so well either. It plays like a random montage instead of an involving progression.

I found the Rohan sequence difficult to watch. It is filmed in desaturated browns and grays; the mood is unrelieved poverty and grief. The original provided a lot of needed breaks from that by intercutting among five or so different story lines. Cutting most of those storylines is an improvement, but I think keeping the intercuts with the Ent sequence would have helped both threads.

The Helms Deep battle is significantly reduced, and the silliest comedy lines are cut, which gets the sequence closer to the spirit of the book. But Tolkien only spent 10 pages on the battle; it’s an important event but not a central climax. So I would have liked to see the battle cut more, especially to make the two sides a little more even so that the humans could plausibly defend against the orc army.

Kerr’s choice of ending is good, highlighting the final loss of innocence and ending on a note of suspense. Technically the edit looks great and I cannot detect any flaws. Rating: 8/10 based mainly on the “improvement over the original” factor.

By: mullholland665

mullholland665 — Thu, 15 Jul 2010 04:06:22 +0000

Pretty damn good. This is the most radically changed edit in the series so far yet is mostly a success.

Really thoughtful editing with the characters here. Aragorn is stronger and continues to look like he really might be king, we have no Arwin romantic nonsense, and the humor is toned down to a level that’s believable. I loved that the story extended to Saruman’s final big scene, Pippin’s encounter with the Sauron in glass Orb, and then the low key ending with Pippin being whisked away by Gandalf as an early prelude to the battle Minas Tirith.

Only one major problem for me: the Ents marching to war so early in the edit. Reasembling all the Ent and Treebeard scenes in the forest
into once sequence during the early part of this fanedit does work for the most part and is faithful to the book. But the timing of the narrative is then thrown right out of whack by the final shots in this sequence, in which the Ents start marching on Isengard which looks to be only about 10 miles away. Surely this departure of the Ents and the two Hobbits from the forest could have been inserted later in the edit, closer to the time of the Ents actual arrival at Isengard? I know these are book edits, but in my opinion this disconnect in the screenplay is too major a problem to justify.

This gets 8/10 from me. There is much that is worth watching and I’m looking forward to Part 4!

By: Ripplin

Ripplin — Wed, 21 Apr 2010 18:01:21 +0000

Again, great stuff all around. Felt weird not seeing Frodo at all, but that’s just the way it went. Haha. I’m going to give it 8/10. Looking forward to watching Book IV. Thanks for the fun, Kerr!

By: buddythegoon

buddythegoon — Mon, 08 Feb 2010 06:04:02 +0000

OK so I didn’t find the changes that “massive” in relation to the first version, however, that does not distract from the awesomeness of this work.
Plot:
Aragorn is a much stronger character, even though he’s now clearly not as badass as Gandalf. Extracting the uncertainty in relation to Liv-Arwen and his strange soap-operatic argument with Legolas prior to the battle makes him more who he is supposed to be.
Theoden is also much stronger. It looks more as if Gandalf has truly renewed Theoden’s spirit, even though the alleviation of Sarumen’s influence does look a little awkward (not docking points for that though).
The battle never needed the elves. It is shorter, possibly significantly shorter, but the book wasn’t really a battle book – only took up a few pages.
Legolas and Gimli get to keep some of their banter without taking over the movie. I believe that the literary Legolas could likely do a lot of the cool things PJ makes him do, but the story really isn’t about Legolas. Kerr leaves Legolas a great archer and fighter, but he never steals the show. Similarly with Gimli, he’s certainly more jovial than other characters, but his humor is not supposed to take over the story. I realize some would argue that it helps to have some humorous quips to please the audience in modern movies, otherwise Michael Bay would still be at MTV, but Kerr expertly trims the most absurd moments and leaves us, again, with a much stronger character.

Quality:
Video – can’t complain

Audio:
Have heard of complaints that audio is not 5.1. I have a 5.1 system, but Kerr’s 2.0 sounds fine, not great, but fine. I’m sure some audiophiles will dock points for it, but I’m too impressed with the work overall – maybe .2 points or something, making it an overall 9.8.