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August 14, 2012    
 
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Tagline:
The B4 and After Edition
Original Movie Title:
Franchise:
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Original Release Date:
2004
Original Running Time:
116
Fanedit Release Date:
Fanedit Running Time:
82
Time Cut:
32
Time Added:
3

Brief Synopsis:
The NexGen’s final theatrical outing was a messy affair, plagued with an uninspired, safe script that catered more to the whims of its two lead actors than to needs of story and character. It was further hampered by miserable direction by Stuart Baird. This edit tries to remove many of the sillier and offensive moments of the movie, with biggest change being the complete removal of the B4 Android subplot, and leaving the audience with a darker character piece that focuses solely on Picard vs. Shinzon.
Intention:
Remove the android B4 and still maintain a cohesive narrative.
Release Information
NTSC DVD-5
Cuts and Additions:
– trimmed the Wedding ceremony
– cut the Argo sequence
– complete removal of B4
– trimmed Shinzon introduction
– cut Picard capture, torture and escape
– cut the rape of Troi
– added original deleted ending
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8.8
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8.8  (12)
Most everything worth saying has already been said in the other reviews. But seriously Bob, great job on editing one of the worst Star Trek films to date. The only other one i hate more is Insurrection. I was a little worried about how the edit would play out based on the cut list. But I have to say you pulled it off almost perfectly. As pointed out in other review's there are some narrative issues with the edit. But the edit added so much positive to the movie that the few negatives it has are not important. This is my go to for this movie now.

Great job Bob
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9.2
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9.0
Reviewed by juice4z0 July 20, 2013
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Most everything worth saying has already been said in the other reviews. But seriously Bob, great job on editing one of the worst Star Trek films to date. The only other one i hate more is Insurrection. I was a little worried about how the edit would play out based on the cut list. But I have to say you pulled it off almost perfectly. As pointed out in other review's there are some narrative issues with the edit. But the edit added so much positive to the movie that the few negatives it has are not important. This is my go to for this movie now.

Great job Bob

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This was a fantastic edit.

I've had it sitting on a disc waiting for me to watch it for some time now, and I just couldn't bring myself to do it. The original film had left such a bad taste in my mouth that it put me off Star Trek for quite a long time.

This edit redeems the original film, and then some.

A lot has been cut, many things have been rearranged. Nearly every cut and nearly every line feels natural and original. The removal of the B4 subplot was well needed and well executed. The inclusion of the new ending was amusing and served the film well.

The picture quality of the newly added deleted ending was significantly below that of the rest of the film. This is a real shame, because otherwise there would be little left to indicate that this wasn't the way the film was originally released.

As several others have pointed out, the flashback was slightly awkward, but it didn't feel unnatural. I've always found flashbacks in films to be slightly mentally jarring, and this one specifically was done as well as any.

The film is much more melancholy than the original, which might turn some viewers off, but I found it to be a fitting fair-well for the crew of the enterprise.

In the end, I was pleased. This was a great edit.
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9.5
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9.0
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10.0
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10.0
Reviewed by ajroach42 November 14, 2012
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This was a fantastic edit.

I've had it sitting on a disc waiting for me to watch it for some time now, and I just couldn't bring myself to do it. The original film had left such a bad taste in my mouth that it put me off Star Trek for quite a long time.

This edit redeems the original film, and then some.

A lot has been cut, many things have been rearranged. Nearly every cut and nearly every line feels natural and original. The removal of the B4 subplot was well needed and well executed. The inclusion of the new ending was amusing and served the film well.

The picture quality of the newly added deleted ending was significantly below that of the rest of the film. This is a real shame, because otherwise there would be little left to indicate that this wasn't the way the film was originally released.

As several others have pointed out, the flashback was slightly awkward, but it didn't feel unnatural. I've always found flashbacks in films to be slightly mentally jarring, and this one specifically was done as well as any.

The film is much more melancholy than the original, which might turn some viewers off, but I found it to be a fitting fair-well for the crew of the enterprise.

In the end, I was pleased. This was a great edit.

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Review by havok1977 — April 16, 2012 @ 4:09 pm

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Reviewed by havok1977 September 12, 2012
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Review by LastSurvivor — April 22, 2012 @ 12:16 pm

BionicBob, probably the most prolific faneditor out there at the moment, brings us his first and maybe only edit on The Next Generation Star Trek franchise in the form of possibly the worst Star Trek film of all, Nemesis. Okay, that dubious honor might actually go to JJ Abrams’ over-rated reboot, but hey, before I start a war let’s get onto Bob’s Through a Glass Darkly ;)

It’s difficult to know where to start with the problems which plague Nemesis. I think Bob actually puts it very well in his “About this Edit” feature, in that here in Stuart Baird was a director who knew little of the Star Trek universe, pandering to the main stars prima donna style requirements within the script to keep a happy ship (dune buggy racing anyone? Data singing? Um, no thanks). Also, what’s evident here is that for the final voyage of TNG cast, there is a distinct lack of that “family” feel which one has come to love and expect from the Trek universe. Perhaps this darker style of Star Trek just doesn’t work? Maybe that’s why I don’t like Abrams’ version too? I digress.

Thankfully, Bob has certainly taken the full blooded fanediting approach here. A massive 32 minutes of footage is ruthlessly cut, leaving us with a fast-paced 82 minutes (about 76 if you take out the incredibly long end-credits) of treachery, deceit, adventure and a chance to see in Shinzon a darker flip-side of our beloved Captain Jean-Luc Picard. The decision to remove the horrible B4 concept is this edit’s most obvious saving grace and it’s executed with some skill. Some reviews have pointed towards the awkward way in which a flashback is inserted to explain the “beaming device” which Data places on Picard, but I take my hat off to Bob here, as he pulls it off perfectly. I’ve seen Bob try and use some flashback-style techniques before, but this is by far his most natural and best attempt.

Of course, trimming Nemesis down to this extent does result in it feeling like a feature-length TV episode and I actually would have liked Bob to have applied the same TV-style fade outs and title sequence which he used so well on his classic Trek edits.

Unfortunately, as impressive and enjoyable as Through A Glass Darkly is, it’s still unable to completely rescue the film. The trimmed wedding scene is still horribly scripted and acted with about as much warmth and sincerity as a wet space blanket. Baird’s direction remains flat (surprising when you consider his overall solid filmography as an editor) and the uninspired performances from nearly all the cast make you wonder if First Contact was but a dream.

Still, some of the scenes between Shinzon and Picard hint at what could have been and the ever reliable Jerry Goldsmith was still able to shine with another impressive music score. The use of the original ending is also a definite improvement, despite the obvious drop in quality, and gives some hope of further adventures with Picard and a new number one.

Audio – would get a solid 9/10. Only when the Enterprise was banking away (the second time) to go into warp did it feel as if the sound was a little out of synch.

Picture quality – 10/10. As good as the original DVD from what I could tell.

Editing – 9/10. Nearly perfect for me, but I’m sure Bob used the same shot of the Enterprise going into warp twice? If I’m wrong, I apologise!

Overall – An excellent attempt to rescue a pretty poor movie, Through A Glass Darkly sees BionicBob at the top of his game. I personally think it’s a difficult challenge to make cuts of some 30 minutes and still manage to have a movie which manages to hold together in its storytelling – but Bob manages it here very well. So, whereas the original movie I would give 5/10, Through a Glass Darkly would receive 7/10. As an overall score for the way in which this was fanedited however, I would give this 9/10.

If this is the final Trek edit for BionicBob, he’s gone out in more style and honor than the TNG cast did on the final day of shooting of Nemesis. :)
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Reviewed by LastSurvivor September 12, 2012
Last updated: September 15, 2012
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Review by LastSurvivor — April 22, 2012 @ 12:16 pm

BionicBob, probably the most prolific faneditor out there at the moment, brings us his first and maybe only edit on The Next Generation Star Trek franchise in the form of possibly the worst Star Trek film of all, Nemesis. Okay, that dubious honor might actually go to JJ Abrams’ over-rated reboot, but hey, before I start a war let’s get onto Bob’s Through a Glass Darkly ;)

It’s difficult to know where to start with the problems which plague Nemesis. I think Bob actually puts it very well in his “About this Edit” feature, in that here in Stuart Baird was a director who knew little of the Star Trek universe, pandering to the main stars prima donna style requirements within the script to keep a happy ship (dune buggy racing anyone? Data singing? Um, no thanks). Also, what’s evident here is that for the final voyage of TNG cast, there is a distinct lack of that “family” feel which one has come to love and expect from the Trek universe. Perhaps this darker style of Star Trek just doesn’t work? Maybe that’s why I don’t like Abrams’ version too? I digress.

Thankfully, Bob has certainly taken the full blooded fanediting approach here. A massive 32 minutes of footage is ruthlessly cut, leaving us with a fast-paced 82 minutes (about 76 if you take out the incredibly long end-credits) of treachery, deceit, adventure and a chance to see in Shinzon a darker flip-side of our beloved Captain Jean-Luc Picard. The decision to remove the horrible B4 concept is this edit’s most obvious saving grace and it’s executed with some skill. Some reviews have pointed towards the awkward way in which a flashback is inserted to explain the “beaming device” which Data places on Picard, but I take my hat off to Bob here, as he pulls it off perfectly. I’ve seen Bob try and use some flashback-style techniques before, but this is by far his most natural and best attempt.

Of course, trimming Nemesis down to this extent does result in it feeling like a feature-length TV episode and I actually would have liked Bob to have applied the same TV-style fade outs and title sequence which he used so well on his classic Trek edits.

Unfortunately, as impressive and enjoyable as Through A Glass Darkly is, it’s still unable to completely rescue the film. The trimmed wedding scene is still horribly scripted and acted with about as much warmth and sincerity as a wet space blanket. Baird’s direction remains flat (surprising when you consider his overall solid filmography as an editor) and the uninspired performances from nearly all the cast make you wonder if First Contact was but a dream.

Still, some of the scenes between Shinzon and Picard hint at what could have been and the ever reliable Jerry Goldsmith was still able to shine with another impressive music score. The use of the original ending is also a definite improvement, despite the obvious drop in quality, and gives some hope of further adventures with Picard and a new number one.

Audio – would get a solid 9/10. Only when the Enterprise was banking away (the second time) to go into warp did it feel as if the sound was a little out of synch.

Picture quality – 10/10. As good as the original DVD from what I could tell.

Editing – 9/10. Nearly perfect for me, but I’m sure Bob used the same shot of the Enterprise going into warp twice? If I’m wrong, I apologise!

Overall – An excellent attempt to rescue a pretty poor movie, Through A Glass Darkly sees BionicBob at the top of his game. I personally think it’s a difficult challenge to make cuts of some 30 minutes and still manage to have a movie which manages to hold together in its storytelling – but Bob manages it here very well. So, whereas the original movie I would give 5/10, Through a Glass Darkly would receive 7/10. As an overall score for the way in which this was fanedited however, I would give this 9/10.

If this is the final Trek edit for BionicBob, he’s gone out in more style and honor than the TNG cast did on the final day of shooting of Nemesis. :)

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Review by DwightFry78 — April 17, 2012 @ 10:01 pm

This might very well be BionicBob’s best achievement so far: taking Nemesis, arguably the very worst of all Star Trek movies, and making it much more enjoyable than I ever expected it to be. Don’t take me wrong, it’s not a great movie now, that wouldn’t be possible given the generic and tired source material, but it’s now worth the Star Trek name and no longer an emmbarrassment to watch. Just removing the worst offenders (mind rape, dune buggy, B4, stupid humor) works wonders for it.

It has been argued among other users whether including a certain flashback near the end was needed or worked well. To me, it’s indispensable, because without it Data’s sacrifice makes no sense: we of course realize what the portable beaming device is when we see it work, but if we don’t know that it can only beam one person up, and that it’s a prototype so Data couldn’t have carried one for himself, the scene would become incomprehensible and Data would seem to be suicidal or have a death wish, and his sacrifice would seen random, meaningless, and easily avoidable. Of course, we have seen the theatrical version so we can mentally fill the gaps, but the narrative of a fanedit should stand on its own. And Bob’s version does. Who cares if the flashback is to something we did not see before. We know those people have had many adventures together.

Technically speaking, this is Bob’s more well-rounded edit to this day. No bad cuts, awkward fades or interlacing, except for the end credits, which do become a bit uncomfortable to read because of ghosting. There’s one flash frame of a starfield right at the beginning before the credits, but it’s nearly unnoticeable. Despite having a pretty good eye for these things myself, I didn’t notice it until another reviewer pointed it out.

I’m giving this a 10/10. Not because it’s now a perfect, flawless movie, which it never will be, but because there’s not much, if anything, I would have done differently. Bravo!
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Reviewed by Dwight Fry September 12, 2012
Last updated: September 15, 2012
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Review by DwightFry78 — April 17, 2012 @ 10:01 pm

This might very well be BionicBob’s best achievement so far: taking Nemesis, arguably the very worst of all Star Trek movies, and making it much more enjoyable than I ever expected it to be. Don’t take me wrong, it’s not a great movie now, that wouldn’t be possible given the generic and tired source material, but it’s now worth the Star Trek name and no longer an emmbarrassment to watch. Just removing the worst offenders (mind rape, dune buggy, B4, stupid humor) works wonders for it.

It has been argued among other users whether including a certain flashback near the end was needed or worked well. To me, it’s indispensable, because without it Data’s sacrifice makes no sense: we of course realize what the portable beaming device is when we see it work, but if we don’t know that it can only beam one person up, and that it’s a prototype so Data couldn’t have carried one for himself, the scene would become incomprehensible and Data would seem to be suicidal or have a death wish, and his sacrifice would seen random, meaningless, and easily avoidable. Of course, we have seen the theatrical version so we can mentally fill the gaps, but the narrative of a fanedit should stand on its own. And Bob’s version does. Who cares if the flashback is to something we did not see before. We know those people have had many adventures together.

Technically speaking, this is Bob’s more well-rounded edit to this day. No bad cuts, awkward fades or interlacing, except for the end credits, which do become a bit uncomfortable to read because of ghosting. There’s one flash frame of a starfield right at the beginning before the credits, but it’s nearly unnoticeable. Despite having a pretty good eye for these things myself, I didn’t notice it until another reviewer pointed it out.

I’m giving this a 10/10. Not because it’s now a perfect, flawless movie, which it never will be, but because there’s not much, if anything, I would have done differently. Bravo!

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