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American History reXamined
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Faneditor Name:
Original Movie/Show Title:
Genre:
Fanedit Type:
Original Release Date:
1998
Original Running Time:
119 minutes
Fanedit Release Date:
Fanedit Running Time:
119 minutes
Time Cut:
5 minutes
Time Added:
5 minutes
Additional Links:
Synopsis:
This is simply a different way of looking at the film, chronologically from beginning to end. All narrations by Danny and Derek have also been removed. It’s not intended to be superior to the original.
Intention:
The director of American History X, Tony Kaye, notoriously disassociated himself from the film during the editing process. This is not an attempt to reconstruct the film as Kaye might have wanted it. Depending on who you believe, either Kaye’s version and the theatrical version were drastically different or they were nearly identical. In my opinion, they were very similar. In any case, this is simply a different way of looking at the film, chronologically from beginning to end. It’s not intended to be superior to the original.
Cuts and Additions:
-Re-ordered the scenes so that it flows chronologically
-added 1 of the 3 deleted scenes (the one with Seth and Cameron in the restaurant)
-there are a few almost unnoticeable continuity errors in the film that really aren’t that important, but one that always bugged me has been fixed: In the first flashback after Derek shoots at the car and is approaching one of the other guys he shot, he leans down and is about to pistol whip him before it cuts. In the second flashback, it shows the same scene with Derek approaching him but this time, when he gets to the guy, he just drags him into the street. Now there’s no approach by Derek to pistol whip him, he just drags him into the street.
-turned the scenes with Danny working on his paper into a simple, short montage rather than having him go back and forth to it all night
-removed all narration by Danny and Derek. If you’re watching the events chronologically, it makes no sense to have the narration. Derek’s narration is in the original because he’s telling his prison tale to Danny through flashbacks. Since it’s chronological, it doesn’t make sense to have him narrating it as it happens. Danny’s narration is essentially bits from his essay that introduce flashback sequences. Again, no need for it. And, it allowed me to lose that terrible, cringe-inducing monologue at the very end. Seriously, that was almost as painful as the curbing scene. The DVD is presented in stereo rather than 5.1 to make it less obvious where the narration has been removed.
-added 1 of the 3 deleted scenes (the one with Seth and Cameron in the restaurant)
-there are a few almost unnoticeable continuity errors in the film that really aren’t that important, but one that always bugged me has been fixed: In the first flashback after Derek shoots at the car and is approaching one of the other guys he shot, he leans down and is about to pistol whip him before it cuts. In the second flashback, it shows the same scene with Derek approaching him but this time, when he gets to the guy, he just drags him into the street. Now there’s no approach by Derek to pistol whip him, he just drags him into the street.
-turned the scenes with Danny working on his paper into a simple, short montage rather than having him go back and forth to it all night
-removed all narration by Danny and Derek. If you’re watching the events chronologically, it makes no sense to have the narration. Derek’s narration is in the original because he’s telling his prison tale to Danny through flashbacks. Since it’s chronological, it doesn’t make sense to have him narrating it as it happens. Danny’s narration is essentially bits from his essay that introduce flashback sequences. Again, no need for it. And, it allowed me to lose that terrible, cringe-inducing monologue at the very end. Seriously, that was almost as painful as the curbing scene. The DVD is presented in stereo rather than 5.1 to make it less obvious where the narration has been removed.
Faneditor Name:
Original Movie/Show Title:
Genre:
Fanedit Type:
Original Release Date:
1998
Original Running Time:
119 minutes
Fanedit Release Date:
Fanedit Running Time:
119 minutes
Time Cut:
5 minutes
Time Added:
5 minutes
Additional Links:
Synopsis:
This is simply a different way of looking at the film, chronologically from beginning to end. All narrations by Danny and Derek have also been removed. It’s not intended to be superior to the original.
Intention:
The director of American History X, Tony Kaye, notoriously disassociated himself from the film during the editing process. This is not an attempt to reconstruct the film as Kaye might have wanted it. Depending on who you believe, either Kaye’s version and the theatrical version were drastically different or they were nearly identical. In my opinion, they were very similar. In any case, this is simply a different way of looking at the film, chronologically from beginning to end. It’s not intended to be superior to the original.
Cuts and Additions:
-Re-ordered the scenes so that it flows chronologically
-added 1 of the 3 deleted scenes (the one with Seth and Cameron in the restaurant)
-there are a few almost unnoticeable continuity errors in the film that really aren’t that important, but one that always bugged me has been fixed: In the first flashback after Derek shoots at the car and is approaching one of the other guys he shot, he leans down and is about to pistol whip him before it cuts. In the second flashback, it shows the same scene with Derek approaching him but this time, when he gets to the guy, he just drags him into the street. Now there’s no approach by Derek to pistol whip him, he just drags him into the street.
-turned the scenes with Danny working on his paper into a simple, short montage rather than having him go back and forth to it all night
-removed all narration by Danny and Derek. If you’re watching the events chronologically, it makes no sense to have the narration. Derek’s narration is in the original because he’s telling his prison tale to Danny through flashbacks. Since it’s chronological, it doesn’t make sense to have him narrating it as it happens. Danny’s narration is essentially bits from his essay that introduce flashback sequences. Again, no need for it. And, it allowed me to lose that terrible, cringe-inducing monologue at the very end. Seriously, that was almost as painful as the curbing scene. The DVD is presented in stereo rather than 5.1 to make it less obvious where the narration has been removed.
-added 1 of the 3 deleted scenes (the one with Seth and Cameron in the restaurant)
-there are a few almost unnoticeable continuity errors in the film that really aren’t that important, but one that always bugged me has been fixed: In the first flashback after Derek shoots at the car and is approaching one of the other guys he shot, he leans down and is about to pistol whip him before it cuts. In the second flashback, it shows the same scene with Derek approaching him but this time, when he gets to the guy, he just drags him into the street. Now there’s no approach by Derek to pistol whip him, he just drags him into the street.
-turned the scenes with Danny working on his paper into a simple, short montage rather than having him go back and forth to it all night
-removed all narration by Danny and Derek. If you’re watching the events chronologically, it makes no sense to have the narration. Derek’s narration is in the original because he’s telling his prison tale to Danny through flashbacks. Since it’s chronological, it doesn’t make sense to have him narrating it as it happens. Danny’s narration is essentially bits from his essay that introduce flashback sequences. Again, no need for it. And, it allowed me to lose that terrible, cringe-inducing monologue at the very end. Seriously, that was almost as painful as the curbing scene. The DVD is presented in stereo rather than 5.1 to make it less obvious where the narration has been removed.
Cover art by Adabisi (DOWNLOAD HERE)
Trusted Reviewer review
1 review
Overall rating
7.5
Audio/Video Quality
7.0
Audio Editing
8.0
Visual Editing
8.0
Narrative
7.0
Enjoyment
8.0
This was a nice edit, I love the original. Quality wasn’t too great since it’s an old AVI. Editing was ok, some of the fades were sloppy. Overall it was interesting to watch it this way but I doubt I’ll watch again.
A/V Quality - 7
Editing - 8
Narrative - 7
Enjoyment - 8 (original 9)
Recommended drink: Appletini
A/V Quality - 7
Editing - 8
Narrative - 7
Enjoyment - 8 (original 9)
Recommended drink: Appletini
User Review
Format Watched
Digital
User reviews
4 reviews
Overall rating
8.4
Audio/Video Quality
8.5(2)
Audio Editing
8.0(2)
Visual Editing
8.5(2)
Narrative
8.5(2)
Enjoyment
8.3(4)
Overall rating
9.3
Audio/Video Quality
9.0
Audio Editing
9.0
Visual Editing
9.0
Narrative
10.0
Enjoyment
10.0
Thoroughly enjoyed this edit. It is only SD with 2.0 sound but this is a small price to pay to get Tony Kaye's vision of the film back. I'm really glad this exists so that the original narrative is preserved. The hacky writing that Edward Norton added (from all accounts) is almost entirely gone and that end monologue had to go as well. It's a shame that Tony Kaye didn't really get to finish this movie the way he wanted to but thank you for doing the best with what is available. Enjoyment is a 10.
User Review
Do you recommend this edit?
Yes
Format Watched
Digital
Overall rating
7.5
Audio/Video Quality
8.0
Audio Editing
7.0
Visual Editing
8.0
Narrative
7.0
Enjoyment
8.0
- majority of the audio transitions were rough (abrupt and/or could have used a crossfade), however I know that this was one of Adabisi's early edits and his editing has improved since this edit was initially released
- good job with the removal of the voiceovers
- cool addition of one of the deleted scenes
- a fresh way to watch the movie
- good job with the removal of the voiceovers
- cool addition of one of the deleted scenes
- a fresh way to watch the movie
User Review
Do you recommend this edit?
Yes
Format Watched
Digital
Overall rating
6.0
Audio/Video Quality
N/A
Audio Editing
N/A
Visual Editing
N/A
Narrative
N/A
Enjoyment
6.0
*This rating was given before reviews were required*
Overall rating
9.0
Audio/Video Quality
N/A
Audio Editing
N/A
Visual Editing
N/A
Narrative
N/A
Enjoyment
9.0
American History ReXamined by Adabisi
I liked the original film. I also liked the meaner and more vicious version that comes through on the workprint. I was very interested when I read Adabisi’s idea for this edit.
This is a retelling of the film in chronological order. I waited a long time to see this edit and now due to its easier availability I was finally able to do so.
The edit was worth the wait. The chronological order presented the story in a new light and I am slightly now partial for this to become my preferred viewing method. Story wise and flow this works perfectly. This also alters a few things as the story is no longer told through Danny’s report. In this version the report has no major significance and only slightly contributes to the film as well as Danny’s change in attitude that occurs later on. This edition will also at times makes you feel like you are watching a persons life in chapters. Even though the original was like that as well, it was a bit more emphasized here due to the nature of the edit. I enjoyed this effect and it still makes you care about the characters we see on the screen.
Adabisi had mentioned in forum posts that there were at least two scenes that made him cringe, and that some minor tech issues are present because it was one of his first edits.
Quite a few times while watching this I thought a better or longer transition to bridge scenes and show time pass could have been used (a transition with a possible “a few months later†title card was needed when we went from the early Derek on the newscaster tape and then cutting to the basketball court game with him much later on in life). Overall this edit could have used some tightening up with some of the transitional scenes (Danny finally writing the report was one of them), but the minor tech issues aside it did not hamper the viewing in anyway. I also noticed at least twice where the audio level from one scene to the next needed adjusting or more so a gradual cross fade to keep the levels proper. The actual video editing itself was done well and for the most part the audio was on key with no problems (minus the two mentioned instances I found). The picture quality was also good and looked really no less than the old dvd version this was derived from
Adabisi was very good in working around scenes that were infused with present and flashback material (most notable was Derek talking to the newscaster and seeing flashbacks of his father, which was a nice way to fix the gap in video because of other material that interrupts it in the original)
A good film, another great way of telling the story and a worth while edit
rating from me gets a 9
NOW THE BAD NEWS:
The ntsc DL dvd version for this was NOT authored properly for a dual layer. A big issue Abais had with many people on fanedit.org was his choice of not including any chapters in the film. I understand his reasoning (in bizarro land), but if you are making a dual layer dvd then that option is going to backfire against you and here is why:
When burning to DL, you need to have a layerbreak. Since this edit has no chapters and no cells (you can have cells as hidden chapters so to speak) the burning programs have absolutely no where to put in a layer break because it is not seeing anything.
If any of you burned this know now that you burned a very nonstandard DL dvd and many players will choke for this reason
In my case I used dvdremakepro and input chapters as well as cells and this fixed the problem.
For the rest of you an easier method since this has no extras would be to use vob2mpg or pgcdemux. Break the film down into one big file or elementary streams and re-author using at least 22-24 chapters or just cells. This way you will be able to burn and view this properly
I liked the original film. I also liked the meaner and more vicious version that comes through on the workprint. I was very interested when I read Adabisi’s idea for this edit.
This is a retelling of the film in chronological order. I waited a long time to see this edit and now due to its easier availability I was finally able to do so.
The edit was worth the wait. The chronological order presented the story in a new light and I am slightly now partial for this to become my preferred viewing method. Story wise and flow this works perfectly. This also alters a few things as the story is no longer told through Danny’s report. In this version the report has no major significance and only slightly contributes to the film as well as Danny’s change in attitude that occurs later on. This edition will also at times makes you feel like you are watching a persons life in chapters. Even though the original was like that as well, it was a bit more emphasized here due to the nature of the edit. I enjoyed this effect and it still makes you care about the characters we see on the screen.
Adabisi had mentioned in forum posts that there were at least two scenes that made him cringe, and that some minor tech issues are present because it was one of his first edits.
Quite a few times while watching this I thought a better or longer transition to bridge scenes and show time pass could have been used (a transition with a possible “a few months later†title card was needed when we went from the early Derek on the newscaster tape and then cutting to the basketball court game with him much later on in life). Overall this edit could have used some tightening up with some of the transitional scenes (Danny finally writing the report was one of them), but the minor tech issues aside it did not hamper the viewing in anyway. I also noticed at least twice where the audio level from one scene to the next needed adjusting or more so a gradual cross fade to keep the levels proper. The actual video editing itself was done well and for the most part the audio was on key with no problems (minus the two mentioned instances I found). The picture quality was also good and looked really no less than the old dvd version this was derived from
Adabisi was very good in working around scenes that were infused with present and flashback material (most notable was Derek talking to the newscaster and seeing flashbacks of his father, which was a nice way to fix the gap in video because of other material that interrupts it in the original)
A good film, another great way of telling the story and a worth while edit
rating from me gets a 9
NOW THE BAD NEWS:
The ntsc DL dvd version for this was NOT authored properly for a dual layer. A big issue Abais had with many people on fanedit.org was his choice of not including any chapters in the film. I understand his reasoning (in bizarro land), but if you are making a dual layer dvd then that option is going to backfire against you and here is why:
When burning to DL, you need to have a layerbreak. Since this edit has no chapters and no cells (you can have cells as hidden chapters so to speak) the burning programs have absolutely no where to put in a layer break because it is not seeing anything.
If any of you burned this know now that you burned a very nonstandard DL dvd and many players will choke for this reason
In my case I used dvdremakepro and input chapters as well as cells and this fixed the problem.
For the rest of you an easier method since this has no extras would be to use vob2mpg or pgcdemux. Break the film down into one big file or elementary streams and re-author using at least 22-24 chapters or just cells. This way you will be able to burn and view this properly