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Red Dragon - Manhunter Edition
a CBB fanedit
Can a movie with an incredible cast like this be a failure? Indeed it can, if is not about what it is supposed to be about. This fanedit gets rid of a bunch of Hannibal Lecter scenes to turn the focus back on Francis Dolarhyde and Will Graham. Through seamless branching it also comes with 2 very different endings.
original film name: Red Dragon
new film name : Red Dragon - Manhunter Edition
film studio name : MGM
edit crew name : CBB
Date Original Film Was Released : 2002
Date Edit Was Released : April, 2009
Original Runtime : 124 min
New Runtime :104 min / 99 min
Amount of time Cut/Added : 20 / 25 minutes cut
Fanedit details:
Bratt Ratner was for sure not the no.1 choice for this project, but he tried his very best and got an awesome cast and great characters to work with: Anthony Hopkins as Hannibal Lecter, Edward Norton as Will Graham, Ralph Fiennes as Francis "the Tooth Fairy" Dolarhyde, Emily Watson as Reba McClane and Philip Seymour Hoffman as Freddy Lounds.
The rights for all Hannibal Lecter movies belong since "Hannibal" to Dino De Laurentiis and he decided to milk that cow for whatever it takes (and even gave us the atrocious "Hannibal Rising", for which he forced Thomas Harris to write the novel and screenplay). De Laurentiis thought that what the audience wanted most of all is to see more Hannibal Lecter, so Ted Tally added additional scenes to the script including him.
But Hannibal Lecter as supporting character has the "Doc Holiday" effect ("Doc Holiday" is a supporting character in the Wyatt Earp story and tends to steal the entire show, because he is so charismatic). Remember: 18 minutes screentime in "Silence Of The Lambs" were enough to earn him the well deserved academy award for best actor in a LEADING role.
So what the additional Hannibal scenes really do is to take away from the main story about the investiagtion of the "tooth fairy" murders. This entire part becomes incredibly flat and all the audience does is to wait for more Hannibal scenes, which actually makes the movie lame to watch.
What I did was to get rid of all the unneeded Hannibal scenes to take the focus away from him, starting with the 10 minutes intro, where he was caught and continuing with scenes, where he was teasing Chilton.
The result is a totally different movie, although my changes were actually minor. I think this version of Red Dragon is way more in the spirit of the original book and makes all characters (including Hannibal) appear with a lot more impact. Especially the great performance of Ralph Fiennes profits from the changes.
Another thing that always bothered me in both movies (Red Dragon and Manhunter) is the original book ending, which I never liked. But I was not sure that the fanedit audience would prefer a new ending without a true showdown (and with the investigation actually not leading to the true defeat of the tooth fairy), so I created 2 versions, one with the original ending and one with a very different ending, which I like a lot better.
Version 1 is called FOREHEAD and version 2 is called FACE. Let's see if you can figure out why that is. ;-)
To make it possible to have 2 different endings and still a good image quality on a SL DVD, I used seamless branching to present the movie versions. The breaking point is easily spottable and the break can be a tad long, depending on the DVD player, still it works rather well.
The changes:
recolored the entire movie to a less reddish and more cold tone.
cut Hannibal beginning
moved Dolarhyde residence scene to an earlier point (to introduce the tooth fairy earlier to the audience)
cut starting credits
cut first Hannibal visit finale
cut Hannibal cell removing books
cut Hannibal gets soup scene
cut Hannibal cheering to Chilton
face finale:
cut entire Dolarhyde showdown scene
cut Hannibal mentioning Dolarhyde showdown scene
cut Chilton announcing Clarice to Hannibal
Trailer: [vimeo:hm7yk0gg]
DVD Details:
104/99 minutes Single Layer NTSC 2.35:1 anamorphic widescreen with AC3-5.1 audio
LANGUAGES : ENGLISH (5.1), GERMAN (2.0)
SUBTITLES : ENGLISH (selectable)
MENUS : animated with sound
SCENE SELECTION : yes
EXTRAS: 6 Deleted Scenes, Trailer, CBB Overview for all 34 fanedits, Cover & Disc Art : yes, on DVD-Rom part
Fanedit history and making:
When my "First Contact" edit did not work out the way I intended it, I switched to this one. The idea for this fanedit is rather old, but I never got around to actually do it.
This fanedit also marks my complete swtich to Sony Vegas as video editor, because I am sick and tired of the Ulead Media Studio Pro 8.0 bugs. The fanedit was created with Ulead, all deleted scenes, menus and the trailer were created with Vegas. Byebye Ulead. I will never return.
Editing the movie was quite easy, except for the earlier introduction of Francis Dolarhyde and the additional ending. Encoding gave me a hard time because Ulead did not always add interlacing to the progressive source, which I could not get rid off completely (and I tried many times with many different settings, filters and programs) until I switched to the original mpg source (which Ulead can handle very well).
Hardware and software information:
Hardware:
Windows XP computer
with an AMD phenom 940 quadcore cpu
and 4 GB of RAM on an ASUS board
Software:
Ulead Media Studio Pro 8.0 (fanedit editing)
Vegas Video 7.0 (extras editing, 5.1 audio creation)
Cinema Craft Encoder (encoding to mpg)
Virtual Dub (frameserving, resizing, recloring)
Adobe Audition 1.5 (music normalization, additonal music track creation)
Pro Show Producer (start and end credits creation)
Jasc Paint Shop Pro (transparent stills creation for menus, correcting stills for end credits, cover and disc art)
PhotoZoom Pro2 (pro enlarging of images for cover art and menus)
DVD Lab Pro 1.52 (DVD authoring)
Cyberlink Power DVD (previewing)
Irfan View (image resizing)
PGCDemux (to get the audio and video sources from the original DVD structure)
AnyDVD (DVD ripper)
DGPulldown (to change 25fps to 29.97fps)
TMPGxpress (encoding the extras video)
ffmepggui (converting the extras, German and menu audio files to ac-3 2.0)
Auto GK (to get an avi to create the subtitles)
Subrip (to rip the subtitles from the DVD)
Subtitle Workshop (to load and alter the original subtitles)
Time needed for the edition:
editing: 3 days, extras: 1 day, trailer: 1 day, DVD menus: 2 days, quality checking and further corrections: 20 days.
persons involved: boon
Maybe downloadable from Fanedit.info
a CBB fanedit
Can a movie with an incredible cast like this be a failure? Indeed it can, if is not about what it is supposed to be about. This fanedit gets rid of a bunch of Hannibal Lecter scenes to turn the focus back on Francis Dolarhyde and Will Graham. Through seamless branching it also comes with 2 very different endings.
original film name: Red Dragon
new film name : Red Dragon - Manhunter Edition
film studio name : MGM
edit crew name : CBB
Date Original Film Was Released : 2002
Date Edit Was Released : April, 2009
Original Runtime : 124 min
New Runtime :104 min / 99 min
Amount of time Cut/Added : 20 / 25 minutes cut
Fanedit details:
Bratt Ratner was for sure not the no.1 choice for this project, but he tried his very best and got an awesome cast and great characters to work with: Anthony Hopkins as Hannibal Lecter, Edward Norton as Will Graham, Ralph Fiennes as Francis "the Tooth Fairy" Dolarhyde, Emily Watson as Reba McClane and Philip Seymour Hoffman as Freddy Lounds.
The rights for all Hannibal Lecter movies belong since "Hannibal" to Dino De Laurentiis and he decided to milk that cow for whatever it takes (and even gave us the atrocious "Hannibal Rising", for which he forced Thomas Harris to write the novel and screenplay). De Laurentiis thought that what the audience wanted most of all is to see more Hannibal Lecter, so Ted Tally added additional scenes to the script including him.
But Hannibal Lecter as supporting character has the "Doc Holiday" effect ("Doc Holiday" is a supporting character in the Wyatt Earp story and tends to steal the entire show, because he is so charismatic). Remember: 18 minutes screentime in "Silence Of The Lambs" were enough to earn him the well deserved academy award for best actor in a LEADING role.
So what the additional Hannibal scenes really do is to take away from the main story about the investiagtion of the "tooth fairy" murders. This entire part becomes incredibly flat and all the audience does is to wait for more Hannibal scenes, which actually makes the movie lame to watch.
What I did was to get rid of all the unneeded Hannibal scenes to take the focus away from him, starting with the 10 minutes intro, where he was caught and continuing with scenes, where he was teasing Chilton.
The result is a totally different movie, although my changes were actually minor. I think this version of Red Dragon is way more in the spirit of the original book and makes all characters (including Hannibal) appear with a lot more impact. Especially the great performance of Ralph Fiennes profits from the changes.
Another thing that always bothered me in both movies (Red Dragon and Manhunter) is the original book ending, which I never liked. But I was not sure that the fanedit audience would prefer a new ending without a true showdown (and with the investigation actually not leading to the true defeat of the tooth fairy), so I created 2 versions, one with the original ending and one with a very different ending, which I like a lot better.
Version 1 is called FOREHEAD and version 2 is called FACE. Let's see if you can figure out why that is. ;-)
To make it possible to have 2 different endings and still a good image quality on a SL DVD, I used seamless branching to present the movie versions. The breaking point is easily spottable and the break can be a tad long, depending on the DVD player, still it works rather well.
The changes:
recolored the entire movie to a less reddish and more cold tone.
cut Hannibal beginning
moved Dolarhyde residence scene to an earlier point (to introduce the tooth fairy earlier to the audience)
cut starting credits
cut first Hannibal visit finale
cut Hannibal cell removing books
cut Hannibal gets soup scene
cut Hannibal cheering to Chilton
face finale:
cut entire Dolarhyde showdown scene
cut Hannibal mentioning Dolarhyde showdown scene
cut Chilton announcing Clarice to Hannibal
Trailer: [vimeo:hm7yk0gg]
DVD Details:
104/99 minutes Single Layer NTSC 2.35:1 anamorphic widescreen with AC3-5.1 audio
LANGUAGES : ENGLISH (5.1), GERMAN (2.0)
SUBTITLES : ENGLISH (selectable)
MENUS : animated with sound
SCENE SELECTION : yes
EXTRAS: 6 Deleted Scenes, Trailer, CBB Overview for all 34 fanedits, Cover & Disc Art : yes, on DVD-Rom part
Fanedit history and making:
When my "First Contact" edit did not work out the way I intended it, I switched to this one. The idea for this fanedit is rather old, but I never got around to actually do it.
This fanedit also marks my complete swtich to Sony Vegas as video editor, because I am sick and tired of the Ulead Media Studio Pro 8.0 bugs. The fanedit was created with Ulead, all deleted scenes, menus and the trailer were created with Vegas. Byebye Ulead. I will never return.
Editing the movie was quite easy, except for the earlier introduction of Francis Dolarhyde and the additional ending. Encoding gave me a hard time because Ulead did not always add interlacing to the progressive source, which I could not get rid off completely (and I tried many times with many different settings, filters and programs) until I switched to the original mpg source (which Ulead can handle very well).
Hardware and software information:
Hardware:
Windows XP computer
with an AMD phenom 940 quadcore cpu
and 4 GB of RAM on an ASUS board
Software:
Ulead Media Studio Pro 8.0 (fanedit editing)
Vegas Video 7.0 (extras editing, 5.1 audio creation)
Cinema Craft Encoder (encoding to mpg)
Virtual Dub (frameserving, resizing, recloring)
Adobe Audition 1.5 (music normalization, additonal music track creation)
Pro Show Producer (start and end credits creation)
Jasc Paint Shop Pro (transparent stills creation for menus, correcting stills for end credits, cover and disc art)
PhotoZoom Pro2 (pro enlarging of images for cover art and menus)
DVD Lab Pro 1.52 (DVD authoring)
Cyberlink Power DVD (previewing)
Irfan View (image resizing)
PGCDemux (to get the audio and video sources from the original DVD structure)
AnyDVD (DVD ripper)
DGPulldown (to change 25fps to 29.97fps)
TMPGxpress (encoding the extras video)
ffmepggui (converting the extras, German and menu audio files to ac-3 2.0)
Auto GK (to get an avi to create the subtitles)
Subrip (to rip the subtitles from the DVD)
Subtitle Workshop (to load and alter the original subtitles)
Time needed for the edition:
editing: 3 days, extras: 1 day, trailer: 1 day, DVD menus: 2 days, quality checking and further corrections: 20 days.
persons involved: boon
Maybe downloadable from Fanedit.info