Ladyhawke Rescored

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Original Release Date:
1985
Original Running Time:
121 minutes
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Fanedit Running Time:
117 minutes
Available in HD:
Synopsis:
Ladyhawke has had a reputation of having mix feelings on the soundtrack. The general consensus is that the 80's Alan Parsons/Scott Powell soundtrack just hasn't aged well. Using the work of Jerry Goldsmith from the little known film "Lionheart", I have rescored probably about 95% of Ladyhawke using this timeless medieval fantasy score.
Intention:
One day while listening to Goldsmith's work on the film Lionheart, I found myself picturing scenes from Ladyhawke as the music played. Having never seen the original film Lionheart, Ladyhawke just made sense in what I pictured and I set out to do what felt like the impossible and breathe new life into Ladyhawke.
Other Sources:
Jerry Goldsmith's work on Lionheart
Special Thanks:
My friend BionicBob
Release Information:
Digital
Cuts and Additions:
Rescored about 95% of the film
Scenes of Isabeau having doubts about Navarre are gone
Mouse talking to himself about the possibility of what he has seen to be a dream and Isabeau responding, despite being far away at that point
Small cuts here and there to help with aligning the music with the scene
Faneditor Name:
Original Movie/Show Title:
Fanedit Type:
Original Release Date:
1985
Original Running Time:
121 minutes
Fanedit Release Date:
Fanedit Running Time:
117 minutes
Available in HD:
Synopsis:
Ladyhawke has had a reputation of having mix feelings on the soundtrack. The general consensus is that the 80's Alan Parsons/Scott Powell soundtrack just hasn't aged well. Using the work of Jerry Goldsmith from the little known film "Lionheart", I have rescored probably about 95% of Ladyhawke using this timeless medieval fantasy score.
Intention:
One day while listening to Goldsmith's work on the film Lionheart, I found myself picturing scenes from Ladyhawke as the music played. Having never seen the original film Lionheart, Ladyhawke just made sense in what I pictured and I set out to do what felt like the impossible and breathe new life into Ladyhawke.
Other Sources:
Jerry Goldsmith's work on Lionheart
Special Thanks:
My friend BionicBob
Release Information:
Digital
Cuts and Additions:
Rescored about 95% of the film
Scenes of Isabeau having doubts about Navarre are gone
Mouse talking to himself about the possibility of what he has seen to be a dream and Isabeau responding, despite being far away at that point
Small cuts here and there to help with aligning the music with the scene

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5 reviews
Overall rating
 
9.4
Audio/Video Quality
 
9.2(5)
Audio Editing
 
9.0(5)
Visual Editing
 
9.8(5)
Narrative
 
9.6(5)
Enjoyment
 
9.2(5)
Overall rating
 
9.3
Audio/Video Quality
 
8.0
Audio Editing
 
9.0
Visual Editing
 
10.0
Narrative
 
10.0
Enjoyment
 
10.0
I recommend this cut of Ladyhawke which is now much better, overall, than the original. I was not a fan of the odd original score which intentionally had a very modern sound (for the time) but seemed not to ever really fit with the action happening on the screen. Did the musicians actually watch each scene they wrote music for? I really don't think so. For me much of the original music was laughably bad and way out of place. No amount of nostalgia could ever make me like those music choices.

In 99% of the revamped scenes of this edit, the audio replacement is undetectable. It just sounds like it could have been a studio release. The 1% that sounds a little too thin is because of the extreme noise reduction applied to a very small handful of dialogue parts in order to completely obliterate the original score. So a few times people's voices become tinny and one or twice a little hard to hear. I would have maybe not used quite that amount of noise reduction and just let the original soundtrack bleed over a bit, doing my best to mask it with new music. Either way, it's still a very acceptable trade-off.

I gave scores of 10 across the board here except for Audio/Video Quality and Audio Editing, which I gave an 8 and 9 respectively. In my book a score of 8 out of 10 (or 4 out of 5) means "good."

The reason I didn't give a perfect score for Audio/Video Quality was some slight blocking and color banding in some of the footage. Nothing very noticeable, but there if you're looking out for it. Also, the opening musical piece sounded a tad muddled to my ear, though that muddiness did not continue.

If a surround track is available but an edit is released in stereo, the highest I'll generally give the audio editing is a 9, which is what I did here. As much as I would prefer a surround version of this, the new scoring is just too good not make the edit a permanent fixture in my movie collection.

And the reason this edit works so well is the time effort and love put into arranging the new scoring. Well done!

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Overall rating
 
9.7
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10.0
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10.0
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10.0
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9.0
Enjoyment
 
9.0
Filesize = 11.3 GB, Video = 1920 X 1090p AVC, Audio = 221 kbps 2-Channel Stereo AAC, No subs.

A substantial edit, removing the 80’s soundtrack, replacing it with Jerry Goldsmith’s score for “Lionheart.”

Do not let the audio specs fool you. The music is robust and dynamic throughout, often swelling dramatically.

The audio editing is fabulous. Small scene removals, I never noticed.

This improves this film quite a bit, though I have always had reservations about it.

For one thing, the film still looks cheap to me. There are simply not enough extras. From pursuing soldiers to castle inhabitants, where is everyone?

Also, it is way too clean. Costumes always appear straight from EZ Sudz Washland.

For Rurgar Hauer fans, he is top flight in this! Glorious.

Aside from Michelle Pfieffer, every other actor borders on ham.

Mouse (and Mathew Broderick himself) remains excruciatingly annoying.

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Ladyhawke itself is not a movie I have a ton of nostalgia for and I can't say it impressed me that greatly as a film on this rewatch. That said, this version definitely works better than the original. The Eliot Goldenthal score works quite well with the vision here presented by Richard Donner. There are parts where personally I felt the score was too jaunty over the action, or borderline sappy over the drama, but honestly that's totally in-keeping with Donner's tone and vision. It matches his directorial style here well, where he never fully goes for gripping action or sweeping drama, but tries to create a childlike sense of joy and wonder that pervades the story.

This film is honestly probably best viewed by someone around 12 years old, so any parents out there might want to seek this out. Personally I want my fantasy bigger and bolder and probably more exploitative, but there is a niche for this. A/V editing is top notch, fitting perfectly into the film. A 5.1 mix would be the natural direction to take this sweeping score, but I can give it a pass. For those with nostalgia for this, it may scratch an itch; for those with no real memories, this would be the preferred way to watch.

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Overall rating
 
8.2
Audio/Video Quality
 
8.0
Audio Editing
 
7.0
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9.0
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9.0
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8.0
I don't get the hate for the Laydhawke score. Does every movie in this genre have to sound the same? I love it. Ladyhawke wouldn't be Ladyhawke without it. The score is what makes this movie unique and sets it apart from the rest of the cookie cutter medieval sword and sorcery type movies. That said... it's about time someone made this edit! We've all been hearing complaints about the Ladyhawke score for decades and it's very refreshing to see it finally come to light. Next time someone complains about the score, just point them here - they'll love it.

This is a great edit. I can't imagine the amount of work that went into this, and at the end of the day, the new score just sits there seamlessly, like it was meant to be there all along. And that's the biggest compliment I can give to this edit- that if you didn't know it was edited, you wouldn't think anything was amiss. Technically, there are a couple of issues. The opening credits are, for some reason, a different AR than the rest of the film, with black bars on the left and right sides. And a film like this really benefits from a proper 5.1 mix. Presenting it in stereo is fine, and likely makes the audio editing easier, but ultimately makes for a lesser experience. However, these do not greatly detract from the edit. I wouldn't consider this a superior version, but a much-needed alternative version of Ladyhawke. Highly recommended, especially if you didn't like the original.
Owner's reply December 26, 2021

Thank you for the review! I just wanted to address the opening titles being in a different aspect ratio. That is exactly how it was in the original, so no editing or tinkering on my part. It's like that because, well, it honestly didn't occur to me that I should probably change it to match.

I'm glad you enjoyed it!

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10.0
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Ladyhawk. A great Richard Donner adventure that time has not been kind to...

When first released in theatres way back in 1985, Ladyhawk felt fresh, fun and exciting. Powerhouse critics Siskel & Ebert both gave it a THUMBS UP; saying it had the potential to be "a classic". And yet, in Richard Donner's impressive pantheon of films, Ladyhawk often seems to neglected, forgotten or ridiculed by many modern movie lovers.

Why? Critics of the film usually point their disapproving finger at two things... Matthew Broderick's performance and the pop/rock soundtrack.

If you fall into this camp, then MusicEd has the Fan Edit for YOU!

While I personally enjoy many aspects of the original movie soundtrack, there is no doubt it instantly dates the film to it's 1980s origins and might feel at odds with the film's Medieval setting to the contemporary viewer.

But not anymore! MusicEd has arduously and meticulously replaced the original soundtrack with works of one of the greatest film composers ever -- Jerry Goldsmith!!! Ed has used Goldsmith's LIONHEART soundtrack with magical skill and has created a very different and wonderfully entertaining viewing experience.

As for Broderick? Again, Ed has mercifully trimmed back some of the more egregious moments, but in the end, there is only so much one can do without undermining the narrative.

The technical achievement here can not be understated. Audio replacement and film re-scoring is an extremely difficult task, that requires a great ear and exceptional patience. And while there are a few brief moments here and there in the fan edit where the viewer can hear the distinct tinny warble after effect of audio removal in some pieces of dialogue, this fan edit stands as a very impressive piece of work.

MusicEd taken a movie that very much felt like a product of the 80s and has given it a classic timeless quality.

Bravo!

Thumbs Up for a new generation!

:)

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I'm not against non-orchestral scores for fantasy movies - in fact, I'm glad to see composers trying different musical approaches than the standard late-romantic orchestral fare for this particularl genre (Alex North's screechingly atonal music for Dragonslayer comes to mind) I also enjoyed the synth scores for The Neverending Score and Legend well enough - so why did the original music for Ladyhawke not click with me at all? Maybe it's down to Legend being one of the most grounded, 'realistic' fantasy movies of the 80s (something as fantastical as Legend seems to lend itself better to synth music) - and because those other two scores left out the drum machines and pop elements that really jar with the movie.

Long story short - this edit fixes pretty much all auditory issues I have ever had with the movie. Jerry Goldsmith's score for Lionheart is used perfectly (only on two occasions did I spot the music fading out in the middle of a phrase - but that's a very minor quibble), to the point where the music has the emotional power to carry entire scences, such as the nearly wordless reunion between Navarre and Isabeau in the cathedral. One of the reviews of the movie's Blu-ray claims that script consultant Tom Manciewicz stated in his memoirs that no other movie was ever in as much need of a Jerry Goldsmith - well, here we are, and the movie is indeed so much more moving for MusicEd921's meticulous work. This is easily the definitive version of the movie.

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Ladyhake is almost the perfect movie to see with kids or family, but the music definitely doesn't fit., it's good but the composer probably didn't see the film and the music doesn't fit the tone.
The new music is good and also fits the mood, the editor also went an extra step by removing some of the unnecessary scenes, unfortunately, he didn't remove the line when the bishop says "This isn't a prostitute place", removing it will make the film perfect and enjoyable for the whole family, but until he does, This is the definitive version of Ladyhawke.

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I am one of those who actually enjoys the original soundtrack because I'm a huge fan of the Alan Parsons Project, so I not only own the movie, but also the 2-disc limited edition soundtrack as well. That being said, I recognize that the synth-pop/orchestration that Andrew Powell and Alan Parsons provided are at times an odd choice for this genre of movie.

So, I gave this version a shot after much consideration. First, this is FLAWLESSLY edited. The music score is appropriate for each scene and works surprisingly well. Everything works once the movie starts. I love the movie to begin with, so I was surprised how seamless this all sounded.

The only weaknesses worth noting is the main theme in the opening credits. I don't find this particular score particularly memorable compared to other works by Jerry Goldsmith and I don't know that it feels right with the opening credits. Maybe it would help with a hawk screech or two... if you watch the opening credits, you will know what I mean. Once the movie begins, everything works, but then again, I'm so familiar with the movie and the original music, this could have been me.

One more comedic observation is that the "riding" theme that is used bears a more than slight resemblance to the "...he rode a blazing saddle..." song from the Mel Brooks movie "Blazing Saddles." I couldn't help think about that every time it started up.

Anyway, this is a fabulous, flawless edit that works. I definitely recommend.

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This score definitely compliments the tone of the movie more than the original score, it takes the forefront when it needs to and takes the backseat when appropriate. You can really tell how much care and effort went into this fan edit! Many kudos to MusicEd921 for this labor of love, it really breathes new life into this beautiful, underappreciated classic.

Full recommendations from me!

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Having grown up watching Ladyhawke from a very young age, it was one of my mother's favorite movies, I have a lot of nostalgia for this film and the original score. While the original score is very much a product of the time, to me, it is still a great score. That being said, when I came across this edit, I was very interested to see what the viewing experience would be like with Jerry Goldsmith's Lionheart score.

First off, the sound editing for this movie far exceeded my expectations. There are very few instances where the sound effects are lowered or removed completely, but nothing that is distracting in any way. The dialogue is clear and the musical levels are good. I was surprised by how well the music matches up thematically in certain scenes. So kudos to the editor for hitting those marks.

To me watching this reminded me a lot of the Legend debate in terms of score. If you grew up with the contemporary Tangerine Dream score you probably prefer that vs the Jerry Goldsmith score which is more classical in approach. Having grown up with Ladyhawke, it's very hard for me to remove the memory of the original score and it still is probably the preferred version for me.

Overall though, I did enjoy watching this. While the Lionheart score can also feel a little dated at times, it definitely is a more classical approach and provides an interesting alternative to the film. Great job to the editor and thank you for putting this together!

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