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Lord of the Rings, The: Book III - The Treason of Isengard
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Original Movie/Show Title:
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Original Release Date:
2002
Original Running Time:
223 minutes
Fanedit Release Date:
Fanedit Running Time:
109 minutes
Time Cut:
144 minutes
Time Added:
30 minutes
Additional Links:
Synopsis:
The third of a six-part edit made to bring Peter Jackson’s adaptations of “The Lord of the Rings” as close as possible to the original book by J.R.R. Tolkien, this covers the first half of “The Two Towers”.
Intention:
To separate Peter Jackson’s “The Lord of the Rings” trilogy into six parts that adhere as closely as possible to the six books of J.R.R. Tolkien’s “The Lord of the Rings”. This is done by both restructuring the films to match the narrative structure found in Tolkien’s book, and by removing as much as possible of the material that has no basis in Tolkien’s vision of Middle-Earth. For Book III, this has meant removing all of Frodo and Sam’s storyline from the film, adding in footage from FotR and RotK, removing most of Saruman’s scenes, change Theoden’s character to make him more noble, removing the elves from the Battle of the Hornburg, completely reinventing Treebeard’s scenes, plus lots and lots of various other changes.
Additional Notes:
Once again, and more than ever for this particular installment: This fanedit primarily intended for fans of Tolkien’s work. Its intention is not to improve the films in and of themselves, and viewers unfamiliar with the book will probably be left confused and unsatisfied, and would be better off watching the originals. Several continuity issues have arisen when editing the film, some minor, some major – if you can’t live with that, don’t bother watching this.
Other Sources:
Fellowship of the Ring
Return of the King
Return of the King
Release Information:
- DVD
- Digital
Cuts and Additions:
- New title sequence.
- The edit begins with Aragorn facing off against the Uruk-Hai on Amon Hen, and we see the entire fight sequence at Parth Galen (with Frodo’s appearances cut)
- “The Two Towers” title added over an overhead shot of Uruk-Hai storming down towards Boromir.
- Most shots of hobbits throwing rocks have been cut.
- Aragorn’s fight with Lurtz is shortened – Lurtz doesn’t lick his own blood off Aragorn’s dagger, nor does he pull Aragorn’s sword deeper into his own stomach.
- Removed any mention of Aragorn letting Frodo go during Boromir’s death scene – as in the book, Aragorn never encountered Frodo.
- Cut Aragorn’s line “I do not know what strength is in my blood”.
- The three hunters run into the woods, and we cut to the running montage from TTT, with “Book III – The Treason of Isengard” title added. We follow Aragorn and co., without seeing what’s going on with Merry and Pippin (yet).
- Gimli’s goofiness has ben cut throughout.
- All the scenes in Isengard have been cut.
- Cut Legolas’ “The red sun rises… Blood has been spilled this night.” It’s a good line, but too confusing, since we don’t know about the battle at this point in the edit.
- The scenes in Rohan (Eomer’s banishment etc.) have been cut. Sadly, I couldn’t get these scenes to fit anywhere. (Also, they’re not in the book.)
- The three hunters find the orc pyre, and Aragorn tracks the hobbits (shortened, and with the intercut hobbit footage removed). After Gimli’s “Fangorn… What madness drove them in there?” we jump back in time to the hobbits being carried by the Uruk-Hai. We now follow the hobbits exclusively until otherwise noted. The orcs are attacked, and the hobbits escape and meet Treebeard.
- All the Treebeard scenes have been rearranged and recut extensively to better link the various scenes.
- Several cuts made to the first Treebeard scene. Merry says that they’re hobbits earlier, and Treebeard believes him. The scene ends with “I am on nobody’s side, because nobody is on my side. Nobody cares for the woods anymore.”
- After this we cut to Treebeard saying how the trees have grown wild and dangerous The scene continues with him talking about how they lost the entwives, after which…
- …Treebeard starts to sing “The Dreams of Trees”. Just as he finishes his song (“…and say my land is best.”) we cut to…
- …the destruction caused to Fangorn by Saruman. Treebeard yells out in anger, and we cut to…
- …Treebeard talking about how Saruman once used to walk in his woods. They spot Saruman’s army marching out from Isengard, and we cut to…
- …Treebeard laying the hobbits to sleep, as he says that he has “business in the forest” etc. Cut to…
- …Treebeard and the hobbits arrive at the entmoot. “Now we must decide if the ents will go to war”, says Treebeard, and we cut to…
- …Pippin struggling not to fall asleep. “You can’t take forever!” says Merry. “Don’t be hasty”, replies Treebeard. Cut to…
- …Pippin tries to convince Merry to return to the Shire. “There won’t be a Shire,” says Merry. Cut to…
- …Treebeard turns to face them. “We have just agreed.” As in the book, the entmoot decides to fight. This line cuts to…
- …The huorns starting to move.
- The ents march for Isengard, and we cut back to Aragorn and co. searching for the hobbits in Fangorn. Again, we now follow them until otherwise noted.
- Cut Gimli’s line about squirrel droppings.
- Elvish subtitle changed from “Something’s out there” to “Aragorn, something is out there”.
- The flashback to the battle agains the balrog has been extended with the part that opens the original film.
- Shortened Gandalf’s talk about the ents waking up. Most of that information is redundant at this point.
- Shortened Gandalf and Aragorn’s nighttime talk in the plains of Rohan, to remove unnecessary dialogue and cut Gandalf calling Saruman “Sauron’s puppet”.
- Theoden is not possessed by Saruman, and Gandalf does not exorcise him. This causes a slight continuity error, since I’ve cut Gandalf casting off his cloak to reveal himself to Saruman – so in one shot, he is cloaked, and in the next he’s not, although there is enough time between the two for him to theoretically have removed his cloak.
- Final word of Eowyn’s dirge (“Bealo…”) has been cut. It sounds like the beginning of a new verse (also when seeing the translation), so the dirge works better without it.
- Shortened the scene with Gandalf and Theoden in front of Theodred’s tomb. It’s a wonderful scene, but I feel that parts of it (“No parent should have to bury their child”, Theoden crying) do not belong in Tolkien’s Middle-Earth.
- The subplot with the Rohirric children has been cut. Since I had to cut the first part of the subplot, there was little reason to keep it at all. We now cut from Theoden mourning his son to Gandalf saying “This is but a taste of the terror Saruman will unleash” (originally referring to the attack on the children’s village, now referring to Theodred’s death).
- Theoden’s line “I will not risk open war” has been cut.
- Theoden’s line “When last I looked, Theoden, not Aragorn, was king of Rohan” has been cut. As in the book, there is no tension between Theoden and Aragorn.
- Going to Helm’s Deep is not considered to be a bad idea. Although not stated explicitly, we can assume that Theoden goes to Helm’s Deep to face the enemy from a more defensible location, and not to hide as in the original
- Aragorn and Eowyn’s scene in the stables has been cut
- Gandalf does not specify the hour of his return.
- The scene where Eowyn gives stew to Aragorn has been shortened. To make it less obvious that Aragorn thinks the stew tastes awful, which is very out of character for him.
- The warg attack has been cut. Not in the book, and the “wargs” look nothing like the wargs described by Tolkien.
- The arrival at the Hornburg has been altered, so that we see Theoden, Gimli, Legolas and Aragorn arrive simultaneously with Eowyn.
- The children reuniting with their mother has been cut.
- Aragorn does not urge Theoden to send for help. Theoden should not, and does not, bear a grudge against Gondor.
- Legolas doesn’t tell Aragorn that he must sleep.
- Legolas does not despair before the battle.
- Cut Theoden’s line “How did it come to this?”
- Gimli does not try on chain mail. Stupid comedy moment. And why would he try what has to be a size XL chain mail? Besides, he was already wearing armor.
- NO ELVES AT THE BATTLE OF THE HORNBURG!
- Cut Gimli striking an orc in the groin.
- Cut the orc carrying the torch. He looks ridiculous, and I find it hard to believe that master archer Legolas was unable to bring him down. Now, it’s assumed that the orcs placing the explosives lit a fuse while they were at it.
- Cut redundant multi-angle shots of the exploding wall.
- Cut Aragorn being thrown off the wall by the explosion, since he has to stay on the wall for his next appearance.
- Cut Legolas’ shieldboarding trick.
- No dwarftossing.
- Trimmed the shot where the orc’s giant ladders are raised. In the original shot, the ladder that Legolas shoots down was to near the wall to possibly fall in the opposite direction.
- Theoden does not despair during the battle. I’ve tried to make Theoden a stronger character, like in Tolkien’s book.
- Legolas does not shoot a dead in a futile attempt to raise his “orc-slaying” score. Stupid comedy moment that doesn’t fit Legolas’ character. Also, I’m not sure if people in Middle-Earth knew what a nervous system was.
- Cut to the flooding of Isengard, and Merry and Pippin looting Saruman’s store.
- The crew rides to Isengard, and they reunite with Merry and Pippin.
- Cut Gimli’s “Salted pork…?”
- The subplot with having to discover where the final battle will take place has been removed, since it makes absolutely no sense. Gondor has two major cities – Minas Tirith and Osgiliath, one of which has been attacked already. Gandalf, and everybody else, should know what Sauron’s next move will be.
- Cut Gandalf’s reaction shot after Grima stabs Saruman. His expression doesn’t really fit, and cutting it makes Legolas react a bit faster.
- Cut Aragorn hesitating before drinking after Theoden’s “Hail the victorious dead!”
- The drinking game has been cut. Pointless comedy.
- Theoden does not doubt himself during the celebration at Edoras. Again, to make Theoden a stronger character.
- Gandalf and Aragorn’s conversation during the feast ends with Gandalf’s “Do we know that?”. I hate how PJ always tries to make Aragorn wiser than Gandalf, so I cut Aragorn’s words of consolation here.
- Pippin does not “catch a glimpse of Sauron’s plan” in the Palantir.
- Theoden does not question why Rohan should come to Gondor’s aid.
- Cut Gandalf’s line “Three days ride, as the Nazgul flies.” 1, it’s a weird thing to say, 2, Nazgul can’t fly, 3, the Nazgul’s “fell beasts” haven’t been introduced yet.
- Gandalf and Pippin ride for Minas Tirith. Fade to “End of Book III”.
Changes from the first version
- Redone title sequence
- Instead of opening on Aragorn on top of Amon Hen, we open on the Uruk-Hai assaulting Boromir
- Used the theatrical version of Boromir’s last battle
- Reinserted Boromir’s line “Frodo… Where is Frodo?”
- Cut Boromir’s line “Our people… Our people”
- Changed the transition to Boromir’s funeral boat from a straight cut to a fade
- Fixed a slight continuity error regarding Gimli’s position after the three hunters find Pippin’s “Leaf of Lorien”
- Reinserted some more of Aragorn’s tracking
- Cut the line “Looks like meat’s back on the menu, boys!”
- Recut Merry and Pippin’s escape
- Reinserted Treebeard’s lines “Your part in this tale is over” etc., to make Pippin’s line about returning to the Shire more natural
- Fixed the continuity error regarding Merry’s jacket during the entmoot
- Cut the sci-fi animation after Gandalf’s “death”
- Cut Gimli’s line “You’d find more cheer in a graveyard”
- Cut Gandalf’s mumbling after Hama asks for his staff
- Cut Theoden line “Gandalf?” after his “transformation”
- Several small tweaks have been made to the Battle of the Hornburg to improve the flow
- The “dwarf-tossing” scene has been reworked
- Cut Aragorn and co.’s ride through Fangorn, so that we stay with the hobbits’ POV longer
- Used the theatrical version of the “Green Dragon” song
- Cut some of Pippin’s spasms while holding the Palantir
- Recut the scene in the stables to make the removal of some lines flow better
- Redone end “credits”
- Audio transitions have been improved throughout
- The edit begins with Aragorn facing off against the Uruk-Hai on Amon Hen, and we see the entire fight sequence at Parth Galen (with Frodo’s appearances cut)
- “The Two Towers” title added over an overhead shot of Uruk-Hai storming down towards Boromir.
- Most shots of hobbits throwing rocks have been cut.
- Aragorn’s fight with Lurtz is shortened – Lurtz doesn’t lick his own blood off Aragorn’s dagger, nor does he pull Aragorn’s sword deeper into his own stomach.
- Removed any mention of Aragorn letting Frodo go during Boromir’s death scene – as in the book, Aragorn never encountered Frodo.
- Cut Aragorn’s line “I do not know what strength is in my blood”.
- The three hunters run into the woods, and we cut to the running montage from TTT, with “Book III – The Treason of Isengard” title added. We follow Aragorn and co., without seeing what’s going on with Merry and Pippin (yet).
- Gimli’s goofiness has ben cut throughout.
- All the scenes in Isengard have been cut.
- Cut Legolas’ “The red sun rises… Blood has been spilled this night.” It’s a good line, but too confusing, since we don’t know about the battle at this point in the edit.
- The scenes in Rohan (Eomer’s banishment etc.) have been cut. Sadly, I couldn’t get these scenes to fit anywhere. (Also, they’re not in the book.)
- The three hunters find the orc pyre, and Aragorn tracks the hobbits (shortened, and with the intercut hobbit footage removed). After Gimli’s “Fangorn… What madness drove them in there?” we jump back in time to the hobbits being carried by the Uruk-Hai. We now follow the hobbits exclusively until otherwise noted. The orcs are attacked, and the hobbits escape and meet Treebeard.
- All the Treebeard scenes have been rearranged and recut extensively to better link the various scenes.
- Several cuts made to the first Treebeard scene. Merry says that they’re hobbits earlier, and Treebeard believes him. The scene ends with “I am on nobody’s side, because nobody is on my side. Nobody cares for the woods anymore.”
- After this we cut to Treebeard saying how the trees have grown wild and dangerous The scene continues with him talking about how they lost the entwives, after which…
- …Treebeard starts to sing “The Dreams of Trees”. Just as he finishes his song (“…and say my land is best.”) we cut to…
- …the destruction caused to Fangorn by Saruman. Treebeard yells out in anger, and we cut to…
- …Treebeard talking about how Saruman once used to walk in his woods. They spot Saruman’s army marching out from Isengard, and we cut to…
- …Treebeard laying the hobbits to sleep, as he says that he has “business in the forest” etc. Cut to…
- …Treebeard and the hobbits arrive at the entmoot. “Now we must decide if the ents will go to war”, says Treebeard, and we cut to…
- …Pippin struggling not to fall asleep. “You can’t take forever!” says Merry. “Don’t be hasty”, replies Treebeard. Cut to…
- …Pippin tries to convince Merry to return to the Shire. “There won’t be a Shire,” says Merry. Cut to…
- …Treebeard turns to face them. “We have just agreed.” As in the book, the entmoot decides to fight. This line cuts to…
- …The huorns starting to move.
- The ents march for Isengard, and we cut back to Aragorn and co. searching for the hobbits in Fangorn. Again, we now follow them until otherwise noted.
- Cut Gimli’s line about squirrel droppings.
- Elvish subtitle changed from “Something’s out there” to “Aragorn, something is out there”.
- The flashback to the battle agains the balrog has been extended with the part that opens the original film.
- Shortened Gandalf’s talk about the ents waking up. Most of that information is redundant at this point.
- Shortened Gandalf and Aragorn’s nighttime talk in the plains of Rohan, to remove unnecessary dialogue and cut Gandalf calling Saruman “Sauron’s puppet”.
- Theoden is not possessed by Saruman, and Gandalf does not exorcise him. This causes a slight continuity error, since I’ve cut Gandalf casting off his cloak to reveal himself to Saruman – so in one shot, he is cloaked, and in the next he’s not, although there is enough time between the two for him to theoretically have removed his cloak.
- Final word of Eowyn’s dirge (“Bealo…”) has been cut. It sounds like the beginning of a new verse (also when seeing the translation), so the dirge works better without it.
- Shortened the scene with Gandalf and Theoden in front of Theodred’s tomb. It’s a wonderful scene, but I feel that parts of it (“No parent should have to bury their child”, Theoden crying) do not belong in Tolkien’s Middle-Earth.
- The subplot with the Rohirric children has been cut. Since I had to cut the first part of the subplot, there was little reason to keep it at all. We now cut from Theoden mourning his son to Gandalf saying “This is but a taste of the terror Saruman will unleash” (originally referring to the attack on the children’s village, now referring to Theodred’s death).
- Theoden’s line “I will not risk open war” has been cut.
- Theoden’s line “When last I looked, Theoden, not Aragorn, was king of Rohan” has been cut. As in the book, there is no tension between Theoden and Aragorn.
- Going to Helm’s Deep is not considered to be a bad idea. Although not stated explicitly, we can assume that Theoden goes to Helm’s Deep to face the enemy from a more defensible location, and not to hide as in the original
- Aragorn and Eowyn’s scene in the stables has been cut
- Gandalf does not specify the hour of his return.
- The scene where Eowyn gives stew to Aragorn has been shortened. To make it less obvious that Aragorn thinks the stew tastes awful, which is very out of character for him.
- The warg attack has been cut. Not in the book, and the “wargs” look nothing like the wargs described by Tolkien.
- The arrival at the Hornburg has been altered, so that we see Theoden, Gimli, Legolas and Aragorn arrive simultaneously with Eowyn.
- The children reuniting with their mother has been cut.
- Aragorn does not urge Theoden to send for help. Theoden should not, and does not, bear a grudge against Gondor.
- Legolas doesn’t tell Aragorn that he must sleep.
- Legolas does not despair before the battle.
- Cut Theoden’s line “How did it come to this?”
- Gimli does not try on chain mail. Stupid comedy moment. And why would he try what has to be a size XL chain mail? Besides, he was already wearing armor.
- NO ELVES AT THE BATTLE OF THE HORNBURG!
- Cut Gimli striking an orc in the groin.
- Cut the orc carrying the torch. He looks ridiculous, and I find it hard to believe that master archer Legolas was unable to bring him down. Now, it’s assumed that the orcs placing the explosives lit a fuse while they were at it.
- Cut redundant multi-angle shots of the exploding wall.
- Cut Aragorn being thrown off the wall by the explosion, since he has to stay on the wall for his next appearance.
- Cut Legolas’ shieldboarding trick.
- No dwarftossing.
- Trimmed the shot where the orc’s giant ladders are raised. In the original shot, the ladder that Legolas shoots down was to near the wall to possibly fall in the opposite direction.
- Theoden does not despair during the battle. I’ve tried to make Theoden a stronger character, like in Tolkien’s book.
- Legolas does not shoot a dead in a futile attempt to raise his “orc-slaying” score. Stupid comedy moment that doesn’t fit Legolas’ character. Also, I’m not sure if people in Middle-Earth knew what a nervous system was.
- Cut to the flooding of Isengard, and Merry and Pippin looting Saruman’s store.
- The crew rides to Isengard, and they reunite with Merry and Pippin.
- Cut Gimli’s “Salted pork…?”
- The subplot with having to discover where the final battle will take place has been removed, since it makes absolutely no sense. Gondor has two major cities – Minas Tirith and Osgiliath, one of which has been attacked already. Gandalf, and everybody else, should know what Sauron’s next move will be.
- Cut Gandalf’s reaction shot after Grima stabs Saruman. His expression doesn’t really fit, and cutting it makes Legolas react a bit faster.
- Cut Aragorn hesitating before drinking after Theoden’s “Hail the victorious dead!”
- The drinking game has been cut. Pointless comedy.
- Theoden does not doubt himself during the celebration at Edoras. Again, to make Theoden a stronger character.
- Gandalf and Aragorn’s conversation during the feast ends with Gandalf’s “Do we know that?”. I hate how PJ always tries to make Aragorn wiser than Gandalf, so I cut Aragorn’s words of consolation here.
- Pippin does not “catch a glimpse of Sauron’s plan” in the Palantir.
- Theoden does not question why Rohan should come to Gondor’s aid.
- Cut Gandalf’s line “Three days ride, as the Nazgul flies.” 1, it’s a weird thing to say, 2, Nazgul can’t fly, 3, the Nazgul’s “fell beasts” haven’t been introduced yet.
- Gandalf and Pippin ride for Minas Tirith. Fade to “End of Book III”.
Changes from the first version
- Redone title sequence
- Instead of opening on Aragorn on top of Amon Hen, we open on the Uruk-Hai assaulting Boromir
- Used the theatrical version of Boromir’s last battle
- Reinserted Boromir’s line “Frodo… Where is Frodo?”
- Cut Boromir’s line “Our people… Our people”
- Changed the transition to Boromir’s funeral boat from a straight cut to a fade
- Fixed a slight continuity error regarding Gimli’s position after the three hunters find Pippin’s “Leaf of Lorien”
- Reinserted some more of Aragorn’s tracking
- Cut the line “Looks like meat’s back on the menu, boys!”
- Recut Merry and Pippin’s escape
- Reinserted Treebeard’s lines “Your part in this tale is over” etc., to make Pippin’s line about returning to the Shire more natural
- Fixed the continuity error regarding Merry’s jacket during the entmoot
- Cut the sci-fi animation after Gandalf’s “death”
- Cut Gimli’s line “You’d find more cheer in a graveyard”
- Cut Gandalf’s mumbling after Hama asks for his staff
- Cut Theoden line “Gandalf?” after his “transformation”
- Several small tweaks have been made to the Battle of the Hornburg to improve the flow
- The “dwarf-tossing” scene has been reworked
- Cut Aragorn and co.’s ride through Fangorn, so that we stay with the hobbits’ POV longer
- Used the theatrical version of the “Green Dragon” song
- Cut some of Pippin’s spasms while holding the Palantir
- Recut the scene in the stables to make the removal of some lines flow better
- Redone end “credits”
- Audio transitions have been improved throughout
Faneditor Name:
Original Movie/Show Title:
Genre:
Franchise:
Fanedit Type:
Original Release Date:
2002
Original Running Time:
223 minutes
Fanedit Release Date:
Fanedit Running Time:
109 minutes
Time Cut:
144 minutes
Time Added:
30 minutes
Additional Links:
Synopsis:
The third of a six-part edit made to bring Peter Jackson’s adaptations of “The Lord of the Rings” as close as possible to the original book by J.R.R. Tolkien, this covers the first half of “The Two Towers”.
Intention:
To separate Peter Jackson’s “The Lord of the Rings” trilogy into six parts that adhere as closely as possible to the six books of J.R.R. Tolkien’s “The Lord of the Rings”. This is done by both restructuring the films to match the narrative structure found in Tolkien’s book, and by removing as much as possible of the material that has no basis in Tolkien’s vision of Middle-Earth. For Book III, this has meant removing all of Frodo and Sam’s storyline from the film, adding in footage from FotR and RotK, removing most of Saruman’s scenes, change Theoden’s character to make him more noble, removing the elves from the Battle of the Hornburg, completely reinventing Treebeard’s scenes, plus lots and lots of various other changes.
Additional Notes:
Once again, and more than ever for this particular installment: This fanedit primarily intended for fans of Tolkien’s work. Its intention is not to improve the films in and of themselves, and viewers unfamiliar with the book will probably be left confused and unsatisfied, and would be better off watching the originals. Several continuity issues have arisen when editing the film, some minor, some major – if you can’t live with that, don’t bother watching this.
Other Sources:
Fellowship of the Ring
Return of the King
Return of the King
Release Information:
- DVD
- Digital
Cuts and Additions:
- New title sequence.
- The edit begins with Aragorn facing off against the Uruk-Hai on Amon Hen, and we see the entire fight sequence at Parth Galen (with Frodo’s appearances cut)
- “The Two Towers” title added over an overhead shot of Uruk-Hai storming down towards Boromir.
- Most shots of hobbits throwing rocks have been cut.
- Aragorn’s fight with Lurtz is shortened – Lurtz doesn’t lick his own blood off Aragorn’s dagger, nor does he pull Aragorn’s sword deeper into his own stomach.
- Removed any mention of Aragorn letting Frodo go during Boromir’s death scene – as in the book, Aragorn never encountered Frodo.
- Cut Aragorn’s line “I do not know what strength is in my blood”.
- The three hunters run into the woods, and we cut to the running montage from TTT, with “Book III – The Treason of Isengard” title added. We follow Aragorn and co., without seeing what’s going on with Merry and Pippin (yet).
- Gimli’s goofiness has ben cut throughout.
- All the scenes in Isengard have been cut.
- Cut Legolas’ “The red sun rises… Blood has been spilled this night.” It’s a good line, but too confusing, since we don’t know about the battle at this point in the edit.
- The scenes in Rohan (Eomer’s banishment etc.) have been cut. Sadly, I couldn’t get these scenes to fit anywhere. (Also, they’re not in the book.)
- The three hunters find the orc pyre, and Aragorn tracks the hobbits (shortened, and with the intercut hobbit footage removed). After Gimli’s “Fangorn… What madness drove them in there?” we jump back in time to the hobbits being carried by the Uruk-Hai. We now follow the hobbits exclusively until otherwise noted. The orcs are attacked, and the hobbits escape and meet Treebeard.
- All the Treebeard scenes have been rearranged and recut extensively to better link the various scenes.
- Several cuts made to the first Treebeard scene. Merry says that they’re hobbits earlier, and Treebeard believes him. The scene ends with “I am on nobody’s side, because nobody is on my side. Nobody cares for the woods anymore.”
- After this we cut to Treebeard saying how the trees have grown wild and dangerous The scene continues with him talking about how they lost the entwives, after which…
- …Treebeard starts to sing “The Dreams of Trees”. Just as he finishes his song (“…and say my land is best.”) we cut to…
- …the destruction caused to Fangorn by Saruman. Treebeard yells out in anger, and we cut to…
- …Treebeard talking about how Saruman once used to walk in his woods. They spot Saruman’s army marching out from Isengard, and we cut to…
- …Treebeard laying the hobbits to sleep, as he says that he has “business in the forest” etc. Cut to…
- …Treebeard and the hobbits arrive at the entmoot. “Now we must decide if the ents will go to war”, says Treebeard, and we cut to…
- …Pippin struggling not to fall asleep. “You can’t take forever!” says Merry. “Don’t be hasty”, replies Treebeard. Cut to…
- …Pippin tries to convince Merry to return to the Shire. “There won’t be a Shire,” says Merry. Cut to…
- …Treebeard turns to face them. “We have just agreed.” As in the book, the entmoot decides to fight. This line cuts to…
- …The huorns starting to move.
- The ents march for Isengard, and we cut back to Aragorn and co. searching for the hobbits in Fangorn. Again, we now follow them until otherwise noted.
- Cut Gimli’s line about squirrel droppings.
- Elvish subtitle changed from “Something’s out there” to “Aragorn, something is out there”.
- The flashback to the battle agains the balrog has been extended with the part that opens the original film.
- Shortened Gandalf’s talk about the ents waking up. Most of that information is redundant at this point.
- Shortened Gandalf and Aragorn’s nighttime talk in the plains of Rohan, to remove unnecessary dialogue and cut Gandalf calling Saruman “Sauron’s puppet”.
- Theoden is not possessed by Saruman, and Gandalf does not exorcise him. This causes a slight continuity error, since I’ve cut Gandalf casting off his cloak to reveal himself to Saruman – so in one shot, he is cloaked, and in the next he’s not, although there is enough time between the two for him to theoretically have removed his cloak.
- Final word of Eowyn’s dirge (“Bealo…”) has been cut. It sounds like the beginning of a new verse (also when seeing the translation), so the dirge works better without it.
- Shortened the scene with Gandalf and Theoden in front of Theodred’s tomb. It’s a wonderful scene, but I feel that parts of it (“No parent should have to bury their child”, Theoden crying) do not belong in Tolkien’s Middle-Earth.
- The subplot with the Rohirric children has been cut. Since I had to cut the first part of the subplot, there was little reason to keep it at all. We now cut from Theoden mourning his son to Gandalf saying “This is but a taste of the terror Saruman will unleash” (originally referring to the attack on the children’s village, now referring to Theodred’s death).
- Theoden’s line “I will not risk open war” has been cut.
- Theoden’s line “When last I looked, Theoden, not Aragorn, was king of Rohan” has been cut. As in the book, there is no tension between Theoden and Aragorn.
- Going to Helm’s Deep is not considered to be a bad idea. Although not stated explicitly, we can assume that Theoden goes to Helm’s Deep to face the enemy from a more defensible location, and not to hide as in the original
- Aragorn and Eowyn’s scene in the stables has been cut
- Gandalf does not specify the hour of his return.
- The scene where Eowyn gives stew to Aragorn has been shortened. To make it less obvious that Aragorn thinks the stew tastes awful, which is very out of character for him.
- The warg attack has been cut. Not in the book, and the “wargs” look nothing like the wargs described by Tolkien.
- The arrival at the Hornburg has been altered, so that we see Theoden, Gimli, Legolas and Aragorn arrive simultaneously with Eowyn.
- The children reuniting with their mother has been cut.
- Aragorn does not urge Theoden to send for help. Theoden should not, and does not, bear a grudge against Gondor.
- Legolas doesn’t tell Aragorn that he must sleep.
- Legolas does not despair before the battle.
- Cut Theoden’s line “How did it come to this?”
- Gimli does not try on chain mail. Stupid comedy moment. And why would he try what has to be a size XL chain mail? Besides, he was already wearing armor.
- NO ELVES AT THE BATTLE OF THE HORNBURG!
- Cut Gimli striking an orc in the groin.
- Cut the orc carrying the torch. He looks ridiculous, and I find it hard to believe that master archer Legolas was unable to bring him down. Now, it’s assumed that the orcs placing the explosives lit a fuse while they were at it.
- Cut redundant multi-angle shots of the exploding wall.
- Cut Aragorn being thrown off the wall by the explosion, since he has to stay on the wall for his next appearance.
- Cut Legolas’ shieldboarding trick.
- No dwarftossing.
- Trimmed the shot where the orc’s giant ladders are raised. In the original shot, the ladder that Legolas shoots down was to near the wall to possibly fall in the opposite direction.
- Theoden does not despair during the battle. I’ve tried to make Theoden a stronger character, like in Tolkien’s book.
- Legolas does not shoot a dead in a futile attempt to raise his “orc-slaying” score. Stupid comedy moment that doesn’t fit Legolas’ character. Also, I’m not sure if people in Middle-Earth knew what a nervous system was.
- Cut to the flooding of Isengard, and Merry and Pippin looting Saruman’s store.
- The crew rides to Isengard, and they reunite with Merry and Pippin.
- Cut Gimli’s “Salted pork…?”
- The subplot with having to discover where the final battle will take place has been removed, since it makes absolutely no sense. Gondor has two major cities – Minas Tirith and Osgiliath, one of which has been attacked already. Gandalf, and everybody else, should know what Sauron’s next move will be.
- Cut Gandalf’s reaction shot after Grima stabs Saruman. His expression doesn’t really fit, and cutting it makes Legolas react a bit faster.
- Cut Aragorn hesitating before drinking after Theoden’s “Hail the victorious dead!”
- The drinking game has been cut. Pointless comedy.
- Theoden does not doubt himself during the celebration at Edoras. Again, to make Theoden a stronger character.
- Gandalf and Aragorn’s conversation during the feast ends with Gandalf’s “Do we know that?”. I hate how PJ always tries to make Aragorn wiser than Gandalf, so I cut Aragorn’s words of consolation here.
- Pippin does not “catch a glimpse of Sauron’s plan” in the Palantir.
- Theoden does not question why Rohan should come to Gondor’s aid.
- Cut Gandalf’s line “Three days ride, as the Nazgul flies.” 1, it’s a weird thing to say, 2, Nazgul can’t fly, 3, the Nazgul’s “fell beasts” haven’t been introduced yet.
- Gandalf and Pippin ride for Minas Tirith. Fade to “End of Book III”.
Changes from the first version
- Redone title sequence
- Instead of opening on Aragorn on top of Amon Hen, we open on the Uruk-Hai assaulting Boromir
- Used the theatrical version of Boromir’s last battle
- Reinserted Boromir’s line “Frodo… Where is Frodo?”
- Cut Boromir’s line “Our people… Our people”
- Changed the transition to Boromir’s funeral boat from a straight cut to a fade
- Fixed a slight continuity error regarding Gimli’s position after the three hunters find Pippin’s “Leaf of Lorien”
- Reinserted some more of Aragorn’s tracking
- Cut the line “Looks like meat’s back on the menu, boys!”
- Recut Merry and Pippin’s escape
- Reinserted Treebeard’s lines “Your part in this tale is over” etc., to make Pippin’s line about returning to the Shire more natural
- Fixed the continuity error regarding Merry’s jacket during the entmoot
- Cut the sci-fi animation after Gandalf’s “death”
- Cut Gimli’s line “You’d find more cheer in a graveyard”
- Cut Gandalf’s mumbling after Hama asks for his staff
- Cut Theoden line “Gandalf?” after his “transformation”
- Several small tweaks have been made to the Battle of the Hornburg to improve the flow
- The “dwarf-tossing” scene has been reworked
- Cut Aragorn and co.’s ride through Fangorn, so that we stay with the hobbits’ POV longer
- Used the theatrical version of the “Green Dragon” song
- Cut some of Pippin’s spasms while holding the Palantir
- Recut the scene in the stables to make the removal of some lines flow better
- Redone end “credits”
- Audio transitions have been improved throughout
- The edit begins with Aragorn facing off against the Uruk-Hai on Amon Hen, and we see the entire fight sequence at Parth Galen (with Frodo’s appearances cut)
- “The Two Towers” title added over an overhead shot of Uruk-Hai storming down towards Boromir.
- Most shots of hobbits throwing rocks have been cut.
- Aragorn’s fight with Lurtz is shortened – Lurtz doesn’t lick his own blood off Aragorn’s dagger, nor does he pull Aragorn’s sword deeper into his own stomach.
- Removed any mention of Aragorn letting Frodo go during Boromir’s death scene – as in the book, Aragorn never encountered Frodo.
- Cut Aragorn’s line “I do not know what strength is in my blood”.
- The three hunters run into the woods, and we cut to the running montage from TTT, with “Book III – The Treason of Isengard” title added. We follow Aragorn and co., without seeing what’s going on with Merry and Pippin (yet).
- Gimli’s goofiness has ben cut throughout.
- All the scenes in Isengard have been cut.
- Cut Legolas’ “The red sun rises… Blood has been spilled this night.” It’s a good line, but too confusing, since we don’t know about the battle at this point in the edit.
- The scenes in Rohan (Eomer’s banishment etc.) have been cut. Sadly, I couldn’t get these scenes to fit anywhere. (Also, they’re not in the book.)
- The three hunters find the orc pyre, and Aragorn tracks the hobbits (shortened, and with the intercut hobbit footage removed). After Gimli’s “Fangorn… What madness drove them in there?” we jump back in time to the hobbits being carried by the Uruk-Hai. We now follow the hobbits exclusively until otherwise noted. The orcs are attacked, and the hobbits escape and meet Treebeard.
- All the Treebeard scenes have been rearranged and recut extensively to better link the various scenes.
- Several cuts made to the first Treebeard scene. Merry says that they’re hobbits earlier, and Treebeard believes him. The scene ends with “I am on nobody’s side, because nobody is on my side. Nobody cares for the woods anymore.”
- After this we cut to Treebeard saying how the trees have grown wild and dangerous The scene continues with him talking about how they lost the entwives, after which…
- …Treebeard starts to sing “The Dreams of Trees”. Just as he finishes his song (“…and say my land is best.”) we cut to…
- …the destruction caused to Fangorn by Saruman. Treebeard yells out in anger, and we cut to…
- …Treebeard talking about how Saruman once used to walk in his woods. They spot Saruman’s army marching out from Isengard, and we cut to…
- …Treebeard laying the hobbits to sleep, as he says that he has “business in the forest” etc. Cut to…
- …Treebeard and the hobbits arrive at the entmoot. “Now we must decide if the ents will go to war”, says Treebeard, and we cut to…
- …Pippin struggling not to fall asleep. “You can’t take forever!” says Merry. “Don’t be hasty”, replies Treebeard. Cut to…
- …Pippin tries to convince Merry to return to the Shire. “There won’t be a Shire,” says Merry. Cut to…
- …Treebeard turns to face them. “We have just agreed.” As in the book, the entmoot decides to fight. This line cuts to…
- …The huorns starting to move.
- The ents march for Isengard, and we cut back to Aragorn and co. searching for the hobbits in Fangorn. Again, we now follow them until otherwise noted.
- Cut Gimli’s line about squirrel droppings.
- Elvish subtitle changed from “Something’s out there” to “Aragorn, something is out there”.
- The flashback to the battle agains the balrog has been extended with the part that opens the original film.
- Shortened Gandalf’s talk about the ents waking up. Most of that information is redundant at this point.
- Shortened Gandalf and Aragorn’s nighttime talk in the plains of Rohan, to remove unnecessary dialogue and cut Gandalf calling Saruman “Sauron’s puppet”.
- Theoden is not possessed by Saruman, and Gandalf does not exorcise him. This causes a slight continuity error, since I’ve cut Gandalf casting off his cloak to reveal himself to Saruman – so in one shot, he is cloaked, and in the next he’s not, although there is enough time between the two for him to theoretically have removed his cloak.
- Final word of Eowyn’s dirge (“Bealo…”) has been cut. It sounds like the beginning of a new verse (also when seeing the translation), so the dirge works better without it.
- Shortened the scene with Gandalf and Theoden in front of Theodred’s tomb. It’s a wonderful scene, but I feel that parts of it (“No parent should have to bury their child”, Theoden crying) do not belong in Tolkien’s Middle-Earth.
- The subplot with the Rohirric children has been cut. Since I had to cut the first part of the subplot, there was little reason to keep it at all. We now cut from Theoden mourning his son to Gandalf saying “This is but a taste of the terror Saruman will unleash” (originally referring to the attack on the children’s village, now referring to Theodred’s death).
- Theoden’s line “I will not risk open war” has been cut.
- Theoden’s line “When last I looked, Theoden, not Aragorn, was king of Rohan” has been cut. As in the book, there is no tension between Theoden and Aragorn.
- Going to Helm’s Deep is not considered to be a bad idea. Although not stated explicitly, we can assume that Theoden goes to Helm’s Deep to face the enemy from a more defensible location, and not to hide as in the original
- Aragorn and Eowyn’s scene in the stables has been cut
- Gandalf does not specify the hour of his return.
- The scene where Eowyn gives stew to Aragorn has been shortened. To make it less obvious that Aragorn thinks the stew tastes awful, which is very out of character for him.
- The warg attack has been cut. Not in the book, and the “wargs” look nothing like the wargs described by Tolkien.
- The arrival at the Hornburg has been altered, so that we see Theoden, Gimli, Legolas and Aragorn arrive simultaneously with Eowyn.
- The children reuniting with their mother has been cut.
- Aragorn does not urge Theoden to send for help. Theoden should not, and does not, bear a grudge against Gondor.
- Legolas doesn’t tell Aragorn that he must sleep.
- Legolas does not despair before the battle.
- Cut Theoden’s line “How did it come to this?”
- Gimli does not try on chain mail. Stupid comedy moment. And why would he try what has to be a size XL chain mail? Besides, he was already wearing armor.
- NO ELVES AT THE BATTLE OF THE HORNBURG!
- Cut Gimli striking an orc in the groin.
- Cut the orc carrying the torch. He looks ridiculous, and I find it hard to believe that master archer Legolas was unable to bring him down. Now, it’s assumed that the orcs placing the explosives lit a fuse while they were at it.
- Cut redundant multi-angle shots of the exploding wall.
- Cut Aragorn being thrown off the wall by the explosion, since he has to stay on the wall for his next appearance.
- Cut Legolas’ shieldboarding trick.
- No dwarftossing.
- Trimmed the shot where the orc’s giant ladders are raised. In the original shot, the ladder that Legolas shoots down was to near the wall to possibly fall in the opposite direction.
- Theoden does not despair during the battle. I’ve tried to make Theoden a stronger character, like in Tolkien’s book.
- Legolas does not shoot a dead in a futile attempt to raise his “orc-slaying” score. Stupid comedy moment that doesn’t fit Legolas’ character. Also, I’m not sure if people in Middle-Earth knew what a nervous system was.
- Cut to the flooding of Isengard, and Merry and Pippin looting Saruman’s store.
- The crew rides to Isengard, and they reunite with Merry and Pippin.
- Cut Gimli’s “Salted pork…?”
- The subplot with having to discover where the final battle will take place has been removed, since it makes absolutely no sense. Gondor has two major cities – Minas Tirith and Osgiliath, one of which has been attacked already. Gandalf, and everybody else, should know what Sauron’s next move will be.
- Cut Gandalf’s reaction shot after Grima stabs Saruman. His expression doesn’t really fit, and cutting it makes Legolas react a bit faster.
- Cut Aragorn hesitating before drinking after Theoden’s “Hail the victorious dead!”
- The drinking game has been cut. Pointless comedy.
- Theoden does not doubt himself during the celebration at Edoras. Again, to make Theoden a stronger character.
- Gandalf and Aragorn’s conversation during the feast ends with Gandalf’s “Do we know that?”. I hate how PJ always tries to make Aragorn wiser than Gandalf, so I cut Aragorn’s words of consolation here.
- Pippin does not “catch a glimpse of Sauron’s plan” in the Palantir.
- Theoden does not question why Rohan should come to Gondor’s aid.
- Cut Gandalf’s line “Three days ride, as the Nazgul flies.” 1, it’s a weird thing to say, 2, Nazgul can’t fly, 3, the Nazgul’s “fell beasts” haven’t been introduced yet.
- Gandalf and Pippin ride for Minas Tirith. Fade to “End of Book III”.
Changes from the first version
- Redone title sequence
- Instead of opening on Aragorn on top of Amon Hen, we open on the Uruk-Hai assaulting Boromir
- Used the theatrical version of Boromir’s last battle
- Reinserted Boromir’s line “Frodo… Where is Frodo?”
- Cut Boromir’s line “Our people… Our people”
- Changed the transition to Boromir’s funeral boat from a straight cut to a fade
- Fixed a slight continuity error regarding Gimli’s position after the three hunters find Pippin’s “Leaf of Lorien”
- Reinserted some more of Aragorn’s tracking
- Cut the line “Looks like meat’s back on the menu, boys!”
- Recut Merry and Pippin’s escape
- Reinserted Treebeard’s lines “Your part in this tale is over” etc., to make Pippin’s line about returning to the Shire more natural
- Fixed the continuity error regarding Merry’s jacket during the entmoot
- Cut the sci-fi animation after Gandalf’s “death”
- Cut Gimli’s line “You’d find more cheer in a graveyard”
- Cut Gandalf’s mumbling after Hama asks for his staff
- Cut Theoden line “Gandalf?” after his “transformation”
- Several small tweaks have been made to the Battle of the Hornburg to improve the flow
- The “dwarf-tossing” scene has been reworked
- Cut Aragorn and co.’s ride through Fangorn, so that we stay with the hobbits’ POV longer
- Used the theatrical version of the “Green Dragon” song
- Cut some of Pippin’s spasms while holding the Palantir
- Recut the scene in the stables to make the removal of some lines flow better
- Redone end “credits”
- Audio transitions have been improved throughout
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I've watched and deeply enjoyed all of Kerr's Red Book edits, but this one was, I felt, the most improved. Rather than splitting the audience's attention between the two halves of the divided Fellowship, sticking with one plot at a time worked wonders for the film, and I didn't find it dragged at all, which I absolutely cannot say for the original theatrical cuts.
I absolutely loved these edits, and it felt like watching a riveting miniseries rather than a poorly paced film trilogy. Very highly recommended to fans who want to see a fresh, more Tolkien-accurate take on the Peter Jackson films.
I absolutely loved these edits, and it felt like watching a riveting miniseries rather than a poorly paced film trilogy. Very highly recommended to fans who want to see a fresh, more Tolkien-accurate take on the Peter Jackson films.
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April 16, 2012
I loved these. Not to much to say about it that hasn't been said by other reviewers, but if you're a Lord of the Rings fan, check these edits out.
I loved these. Not to much to say about it that hasn't been said by other reviewers, but if you're a Lord of the Rings fan, check these edits out.
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--This review is about all six books, not only about this one--
So, I finally got to see Kerr's vision here. In total, it's about 7 1/2 hours long and therefore around 1/3 shorter than the extended editions.
That said, I don't think the pacing of this "Red Book" series is too fast, but the events told sometimes (really only sometimes, like the fellowship's voyage from Rivendell to Moriah, Frodo's encounter with Faramir or Aragorn's meeting in the path of the dead) feel a bit rushed - but that might also be just because I knew what's been cut out...
What I like about Kerr's approach is that his Middle-Earth landscapes feel bigger, more epic and more fitting to the story - yes, even though Jackson always gos for bigger, I really always thought the movies felt small regarding the landscapes! So wonderfully, Kerr achieves to let LOTR happen in more adequate geographic surroundings. This and his use of alternative music (besides of course the well-known various themes of LOTR) give his edit a more mythical and awestruck quality.
What I do not like is (and yes, I know it's this edit's trademark) - or put better, what didn't work too well for me was Kerr's approach to tell the several story lines each by itself and without switching from one to the other.
I mean, it's okay and one might like it, but imo it's one of the original book's strenghts and tricks to achieve a certain grandeur that gets lost when ignored.
Now for the cutting itself, I think it's rather flawless - Kerr is successfull in keeping in all significant highlights in all their glory and removing much of what could be considered lenghty, inadequately blown-up or simply unnecessary. He also changes the placement of backstories (or puts them back in the original book's order) in convincing style, meaning Peter's changes for the better of the movies themselves are all "corrected", and still Kerr's cut is not suffering from that, which is quite an achievement!
All in all, his LOTR feels more serious, more mature - but then again, I must admit I haven't seen the original Extended Editions for years, maybe these are not as overloaded as I remember them?
I also want to add that I saw Kerr's edit in compressed DVD resolution which just looks not too good on today's HD TVs.
I definitely can recommend this edit, and it was a joy to watch, but it won't be my go-to-version.
So, I finally got to see Kerr's vision here. In total, it's about 7 1/2 hours long and therefore around 1/3 shorter than the extended editions.
That said, I don't think the pacing of this "Red Book" series is too fast, but the events told sometimes (really only sometimes, like the fellowship's voyage from Rivendell to Moriah, Frodo's encounter with Faramir or Aragorn's meeting in the path of the dead) feel a bit rushed - but that might also be just because I knew what's been cut out...
What I like about Kerr's approach is that his Middle-Earth landscapes feel bigger, more epic and more fitting to the story - yes, even though Jackson always gos for bigger, I really always thought the movies felt small regarding the landscapes! So wonderfully, Kerr achieves to let LOTR happen in more adequate geographic surroundings. This and his use of alternative music (besides of course the well-known various themes of LOTR) give his edit a more mythical and awestruck quality.
What I do not like is (and yes, I know it's this edit's trademark) - or put better, what didn't work too well for me was Kerr's approach to tell the several story lines each by itself and without switching from one to the other.
I mean, it's okay and one might like it, but imo it's one of the original book's strenghts and tricks to achieve a certain grandeur that gets lost when ignored.
Now for the cutting itself, I think it's rather flawless - Kerr is successfull in keeping in all significant highlights in all their glory and removing much of what could be considered lenghty, inadequately blown-up or simply unnecessary. He also changes the placement of backstories (or puts them back in the original book's order) in convincing style, meaning Peter's changes for the better of the movies themselves are all "corrected", and still Kerr's cut is not suffering from that, which is quite an achievement!
All in all, his LOTR feels more serious, more mature - but then again, I must admit I haven't seen the original Extended Editions for years, maybe these are not as overloaded as I remember them?
I also want to add that I saw Kerr's edit in compressed DVD resolution which just looks not too good on today's HD TVs.
I definitely can recommend this edit, and it was a joy to watch, but it won't be my go-to-version.
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This one is more heavily edited than the two Fellowship of the Ring edits, but then I think there's a lot more material added here that needed to be trimmed for a book cut. On the whole I quite enjoyed it and was surprised that it's still 1hr 45min.
The changes to scene sequences works, especially for the chase of the Isengard orcs. Focusing first on the hunters and tracking the hobbits, then switching to what Merry and Pippin's experiences were--as deduced by Aragon was great. Lots of silly stuff is gone and I didn't miss anything here.
The sequence with the Ents felt a bit disjointed and abrupt. While there was extra stuff gone that helped, Treebeard's walk with the hobbits felt a bit shortchanged. The battle of Isengard worked, feeling about right.
Losing the extra stuff in Rohan worked. We focus on the main plot, and no extra superfluous side-plots are introduced, much as I enoyed the life of a Rohirrim bits. I did notice the small continuity issue with Gandalf's cloak--but that may be as much my awareness of what was cut as anything else. The story gets to the point and gets us to Helm's Deep. Which...
Overall the cuts were good. Again, being familiar with the source movie the cut felt almost like it shortchanged the battle. But, it reverted to the significance as in the original book, and wasn't forced as the climax to the second blockbuster movie.
The changes to scene sequences works, especially for the chase of the Isengard orcs. Focusing first on the hunters and tracking the hobbits, then switching to what Merry and Pippin's experiences were--as deduced by Aragon was great. Lots of silly stuff is gone and I didn't miss anything here.
The sequence with the Ents felt a bit disjointed and abrupt. While there was extra stuff gone that helped, Treebeard's walk with the hobbits felt a bit shortchanged. The battle of Isengard worked, feeling about right.
Losing the extra stuff in Rohan worked. We focus on the main plot, and no extra superfluous side-plots are introduced, much as I enoyed the life of a Rohirrim bits. I did notice the small continuity issue with Gandalf's cloak--but that may be as much my awareness of what was cut as anything else. The story gets to the point and gets us to Helm's Deep. Which...
Overall the cuts were good. Again, being familiar with the source movie the cut felt almost like it shortchanged the battle. But, it reverted to the significance as in the original book, and wasn't forced as the climax to the second blockbuster movie.
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I can only give this fanedit a perfect review since I just truly loove this version of LOTR so much more than the original cut / edit (both theatrical and EE). To me all of Kerr's 6 books are a masterpeace. Only thing distracting is that, as far as I know, there is no HD-version of it available, so when watching the Hobbit fanedit beforehand, the quality difference is noticable. Let's hope an HD version comes out someday. This will be the version I will watch from now on if I watch the LOTR. Thank you Kerr for the work you put in!
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Wow, I'm so glad I found these edits. As a fan of the books since childhood, I always though that Jackson's movies made some... questionable decisions beyond simply translating books to screen. "The Fellowship of the Ring" was, I thought, a pretty good adaptation overall. "The Two Towers," however... I was actually angry leaving the theater and that was the only time I watched it, even though I eventually bought the EE DVDs!
I'm thrilled to say that, with these book edits, TTT is FIXED!!!! The Battle of the Hornburg is maybe a half-dozen pages in the book; this edit dials it back from being the main part of the movie to a reasonable position story/emphasis-wise. Theoden's character is fixed. So many unnecessary movie additions have been trimmed back (stupid Wargs); I actually enjoyed this.
The section with the Ents, sadly, zipped by (so uncharacteristic of them!), but you can only work with the source material you have. I'd guess this was handled about as well as could be.
I realize that I'm writing as someone very familiar with the books and I'm happy to finally see something close to them on the screen. It's hard to say whether someone who hasn't read them would be able to follow or not - but I rate this one superb and have been recommending it to the LOTR book lovers I know.
I'm thrilled to say that, with these book edits, TTT is FIXED!!!! The Battle of the Hornburg is maybe a half-dozen pages in the book; this edit dials it back from being the main part of the movie to a reasonable position story/emphasis-wise. Theoden's character is fixed. So many unnecessary movie additions have been trimmed back (stupid Wargs); I actually enjoyed this.
The section with the Ents, sadly, zipped by (so uncharacteristic of them!), but you can only work with the source material you have. I'd guess this was handled about as well as could be.
I realize that I'm writing as someone very familiar with the books and I'm happy to finally see something close to them on the screen. It's hard to say whether someone who hasn't read them would be able to follow or not - but I rate this one superb and have been recommending it to the LOTR book lovers I know.
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The book cuts keep delivering. Quite a lot has been trimmed this time, and while all of it is brilliant editing, I find the whole Ent-encounter a bit confusing. Just as brumous mentions in their review, the scenes become a montage, rather than something coherent. A small thing, considering the task and material Jackson gives.
Cutting around the elves during the battle is brilliantly done. I did my best to spot just one in the background, but Kerr appears meticulous!
All in all, as I'm reading the books at the same time, I begin to wonder why Jackson changed the characters as he did. Kerr's edits really do try to correct this and so far it is stellar work.
Cutting around the elves during the battle is brilliantly done. I did my best to spot just one in the background, but Kerr appears meticulous!
All in all, as I'm reading the books at the same time, I begin to wonder why Jackson changed the characters as he did. Kerr's edits really do try to correct this and so far it is stellar work.
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