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hi i saw your edit and thought it was great ,the edit was coherent ,quality was great and love how you used the best of both versions ,i love how you used care to step outside,and toned down some od the silly scenes and lois got to remember everything ,youre a great editor!it was a great edit ,really cool and how superman should have been released!

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This is an excellent attempt at editing these films by PanteraSteel. Generally when I watch the official Blu Rays I watch both films over the course of two days, but watching this digitally provides a seamless transition between both films and as such there is motivation to watch as one giant epic. As PanteraSteel says, the changes to the official releases are generally understated, and the vast majority of the films remain intact while providing more seriousness and very intelligent pacing - it isnt a reinvention of the films, it's more tweaked in terms of pacing and tone as well as an attempt at creating one giant movie. I was able to watch all 4 hours 7 minutes in virtually one sitting, save for making a sandwich about 75 minutes in. At no point did I feel like the film was dragging or I was lacking the stamina, which could be the case if I watched the two Donner releases back-to-back. The film is a smoother watch all around since the two official releases total about 4 hours 19 mins.

If I had to make one or two criticisms, it wouldn't be with the quality of the narrative or the scene editing, but more with the audio and visual quality. I watched this via streaming through Plex and a good wi-fi connection on a 50 inch 4k Samsung TV - at some points the film looks and sounds stunning, but at others it looks like a product of its time rather than looking and sounding as if it was filmed yesterday ( as the Blu Rays tend to). However, this makes complete sense since the Blu ray files of both official movies are much larger than the approximately 5.5 gb file of the epic that I watched, I'm not sure if there is a higher quality/larger file size edit of the epic that PanteraSteel has made, but I am really being pedantic here - I do love how 4k and blu ray discs look and sound, but more important to me is the quality of the film and this edit delivers that with aplomb.

Overall I greatly enjoyed watching this, and even the inconsistencies in the audio and video quality did not scupper my entertainment. A brilliant addition and PanteraSteel should be proud of it.

Highly recommended.

Edit: good idea to omit both Lester's kiss and Donner's dull repetition of Superman going back in time. I suppose you can argue it makes less sense then why Lois still can't remember who he is (unless I have missed something in the edit) but overall I think your ending is far stronger than either Lester's or Donner's (after a discussion PanteraSteel clarified a few things about his ending and it makes a lot of sense as he has explained it).

Edit 2: much thanks to PanteraSteel for making public what the issue was with (the TV cut). That makes complete sense and is clearly out of your control. To reiterate, it's a brilliant edit that everyone who loves the character should watch,

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Owner's reply March 10, 2024

"If I had to make one or two criticisms, it wouldn't be with the quality of the narrative or the scene editing, but more with the audio and visual quality. Overall I greatly enjoyed watching this, and even the inconsistencies in the audio and video quality did not scupper my entertainment. A brilliant addition and PanteraSteel should be proud of it."

That's a fair criticism. The final decision I made with this edit was to remove a couple of scenes I had taken from the 3-hour tv cut of Superman 78 because that blu ray has significantly inferior audio than the directors cut blu ray. I almost removed EVERYTHING I took from the 3 hour cut to keep the audio/video perfect and consistent but in the end there were a few scenes I really wanted in the movie. I haven't noticed any inconsistencies outside of when we are watching scenes taken from the 3 hour tv cut of Superman 1978. To my knowledge the only way to fix that is to not use scenes from the 3 hour tv cut at all.

Thank you for the kind words and thank you for taking the time to write an honest review. I appreciate it.

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I’ve watched several Superman 1 + 2 edits now and this is one of the strongest - I had no issues with the audio/visual quality and I think the editing makes for a cohesive whole. I’ve docked points for narrative and subsequently enjoyment due to the end scenes with Lois; the fan editor has explained well their reasoning for the scene, but it just doesn’t work for me. I’d have to have the magic kiss or back-in-time flight as an explanation :)
Apart from that I think it’s well worth watching, and I’m glad I was given the chance to do so.

(Watched on a virtual reality cinema screen via Skybox on Quest 3, stereo sound only)

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Owner's reply March 17, 2024

Thank you for taking the time to leave a nice review. Your criticism is both fair and expected. So far about half of the feedback I've gotten was people embracing this ending (more than I expected) and the other half was people strongly disliking it (which I anticipated). I wasn't originally going to say anything but at this point the cat is out of the bag so to anyone interested in my SUPERMAN EPIC the only big controversial decision I made that may be a deal breaker for some potential viewers is my choice to use the final Daily Planet scene from Donner's Superman II. The main issue being Lois' line of "I FEEL LIKE I'M SITTING ON THE BIGGEST STORY OF MY CAREER, AND I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT IT IS.." I may even make a whole video explaining why I made this decision but here I'll just run over a few quick points.

1. Technically in my cut I made sure to prove that Lois does in fact remember because she ends the scene typing "Superman saves humanity from eternal damnation" rather than "Superman takes the day off." So right there we have confirmation that Lois did not "forget" any events. 2. Now the issue w/ the scene is the use of the word "Forget." That's really the only problem (and they blow right past it anyway). I look at this scene now, the way I repurposed it, as a continuation of the banter between the two of them at the beginning of the Donner Cut only now Clark can play along, which he does. it's a glimpse into how their relationship would have been going forward which I really truly love. We have a stronger Lois that got all her crying out of her system the night before (in previous scene) that shows up to work where we get "the same old clark and same old Lois" (as promised in the previous scene). So Lois is rejuvenated but she has a problem, she is in fact going to be forced to sit on the greatest story of her career. She can't write about the fact that she knows Superman's true identity. She can't write about the fact that she knows Superman gave up his powers etc. So she is in fact sitting on the biggest story of her career and may in fact have to bend the truth to write about what happened. There's no debating that. Additionally neither Clark nor Lois should be talking openly about their situation (nor should they be kissing really) at the Daily Planet. So what we end up with is the first scene/interaction with the two of them both in on Clark's little super-secret. 3 Using this scene also brings consistency to the finale/whole film. 4. The scene features better writing, a better set, better cinematography AND SIGNIFICANTLY better performances from Margot Kidder and Christopher Reeve (I don't even think it's close. Margot was 10x better under Donner's directing). 5 For me, to see Chris Reeve end this movie joking about how Superman "saved the city or saved the world or saved the universe as a little inside joke w/Lois was extremely entertaining and may even be my favorite scene in the whole Epic. I love it. I also love that it ends with Lois saying "You know you're really SUPER" which to me actually works better the way I have it, as an inside joke between the two of them, then the way it was originally written, as an inside joke for the audience. 6. Finally I think it's redundant to have Lois crying at the Daily planet after the two absolutely EXCELLENT previous break up scenes (Fortress and Lois' apartment). There's much more to say but this is already very long. So that's a little glimpse into why I made the decision I did, why I feel it's the right scene to use for this version and how I think it actually works better than the alternatives. Additionally I will be looking into a slight update with tweaked dialogue from A.I. for a future RE-RELEASE. In the meantime for anyone interested in this edit that has now been turned off by this ending decision I made, there will be two additional versions of my this edit released later this year (Superman Epic as ORIGINALLY INTENDED and Superman Epic Alternate Cut which is more for the Lester fans). Both upcoming versions have different endings that I decided on years ago as my plan all along was to give viewers options by releasing THREE different versions rather than forcing everything into a hybrid cut. Thanks for reading.

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